KP3 - Some Problems

guga_chk · Post by **guga_chk** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:16 pm

Hey there,

I have little problems during connecting 2 kaoss pads in mixer (MG82cx).

this is how i plug in 1 kaoss pad in mixer (but also only 1 line works...)

now i want to plug in 2nd kaoss pad and work together with 1 microphone.

i want it for beatboxing. Any help sentences?

guga_chk · Post by **guga_chk** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:19 pm

also microphone is connected in mixer in the First Line (insert)

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:04 am

Inserts are not the same as inputs. Inserts require a plug that is wired to separate the signal on the tip and ring of the plug to separate channels, where the tip is the output and the ring is the returning input. Your plug adapter will send the output to the RCA cable, but it shorts out the returning input to ground, which can stop that channel from working on many mixers.

You need to buy two Y cables with a stereo 1/4" TRS plug on one end, with two RCA jacks on the other end, one labelled tip and the other labelled ring. Then you can use the tip RCA jack to send to the KP3 input and the ring RCA jack to receive the KP3 output. You need two Y cables to do this for the Right + Left channels.

guga_chk · Post by **guga_chk** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:59 pm

i didn't understaand !

hazabikit · Post by **hazabikit** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:07 pm

Check out the Compact Mixer Reference Guide:

http://www.mackie.com/pdf/CMRefGuide/Anatomy_Ch2.pdf

On page 25, there's a section for channel inserts.

guga_chk · Post by **guga_chk** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:24 pm

damn itttt, i didn't get it

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:14 pm

You need 4 of these:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Live-Wire-T ... 1166814.gc

The red colored plugs (with the word RING on them) go to the KP3 outputs. The grey colored plugs (with the word TIP on them) go to the KP3 inputs. You have two KP3's. Each KP3 has two inputs and two outputs. That's 8 RCA jacks. You need to use 4 insert jacks on the mixer to hook up the 2 KP3's. If you buy 4 of those Y cables, everything should work.

On the following diagram, replace the word "KP3" instead of "compressor":

guga_chk · Post by **guga_chk** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:17 pm

THANKS a lot! and where does those jacks go in this mixer (for 1 KP3)

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:03 pm

The original photo you showed at the very top:

The Red cable is plugged into INSERT Channel 1.
The INSERT for Channel 2 is empty to the right of it.

Unfortunately, your specific model has only 2 INSERT Jacks on your channels. So you can only hook up one KP3 to affect CH1+2 directly. CH3-CH8 don't have inserts. The mixer also doesn't have a stereo effects loop. You can hook the other two cables to the STEREO OUT L+R jacks on the right, with the grey RCA going to the 2nd KP3's L+R inputs. Then hook the 2nd KP3's L+R output to the PA Power Amp or the Powered Speakers. This way KP3 #1 will affect only whatever you send to CH1 + CH2, while KP3 #2 will affect everything that is output from the mixer.

You can hook your Mic to any of the MIC jacks. If you hook it up to MIC on CH1, then it will be sent to one side of KP3#1 (either R or L) and it will be sent to KP3#1 based on how you set the PAN control - in the center it will be sent equally to the R+L channels of it. If you have music or any stereo backing tracks, they can be hooked up to any of the CH3-8 inputs that doesn't have the MIC connected and will be sent to KP3#2.

LouEyez · Post by **LouEyez** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:10 pm

Hi xmlguy,

I'm basically trying to do the same thing, but my mixer is a Allen and Heath Zed 14.

If I understand correctly, I need 4 of those cable you mentioned, and each one will take a channel from my mixer, and that should allow me to use the mic directly from the mixer and feed right into both kp3s allowing me to use it as one big kp3?

It doesn't make sense to me, that's why I'm asking, but maybe that's because i have a different mixer? Here is a link to mine
http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/ ... &SubCatId=

for what it's worth, I think that what I'm trying to do is the same as the OP, I want to plug the mic into the mixer (not the kp3) and have the sound channeled into the kp3s from there, and have them come back to the mixer to be played out of the speakers

If I've misunderstood the OP's question, then I apologies.

L

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:56 pm

Hi LouEyez,

You don't need to use the Insert jacks to do what you want on the ZED14 because it has a lot more options to return FX back into the mix. It has multiple returns with level controls, and you can send the returns to the Main L+R channels or to specific stereo channels using the switch below the return gain knobs.

So one way you can hook the mic, KP3 & ZED together is

Mic -> Channel 1 -> Aux1 Out -> KP3 Mic Input
KP3 L+R output -> ZED Stereo Return -> ZED Main L+R mix output bus.

That config only requires a standard mic cable and a standard stereo RCA cable.

LouEyez · Post by **LouEyez** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:42 pm

Thanks man, I'll try that tonight.
I went ahead and got the cables anyway, so I'll try to get those working as well.

I'm gonna try what you said first,
Mic > ch1 XLR
Aux3 > kp3 input
kp3 output > second kp3 input
kp3 2 output > mixer stereo return

I know you said aux 1 to kp3 mic input, but I don't have that cable right now, so I'll try it that way, and also, I would love to not have a mic pugged into the kp3.

Thanks again, I'll post results

L

LouEyez · Post by **LouEyez** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:20 pm

xmlguy wrote:
Mic -> Channel 1 -> Aux1 Out -> KP3 Mic Input
KP3 L+R output -> ZED Stereo Return -> ZED Main L+R mix output bus.

That config only requires a standard mic cable and a standard stereo RCA cable.

Ok, so I tried it the way I said above and that didn't work. I can hear sounds coming from the kp3 *eg synth) but the kp3 does not hear the mic. I tried it with just one kp3 just to make sure.

I don't understand what you mean by aux1 out > kp3 mic input, do you mean I need a wire with both ends 1/4"? because at the the end you say that this way I only need a mic cable and an rca.

I have the following cables available, rca, y cables like you mentioned above (except mine don't say ring and tip on them which could be a factor)

No matter what I've tried so far, I can't get the kp3 get input from the mixer, only output the sound, and I can do just fine by connecting both kp3s together and feeding them out of the mixer, but the mic has to be plugged into one of the kp3s,

Sorry if I'm being thick, but I'm new to this.

Thanks again for your help,

Lou

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:29 pm

Sorry, you also do need one additional cable.

Aux1 Out -> KP3 Mic Input

1/4" Mono -> 1/4" Mono

You'll need to do more than hook up the cables. I was assuming you know how to use the mixer to get the mic input to Aux1 out.

Aux1 is a separate audio buss that combines all the Aux1 sends from the channels. The channels sends the Aux1 audio pre-fader - meaning that the channel fader has no effect on the Aux1 level. So you keep the CH1 fader all the way down, while you adjust Aux1 send knob to a position to maintain an average 0dB level on the Aux1 buss. You don't want any CH1 audio to go directly to the Main output except when you are doing voiceovers (like talking to the audience during breaks between the songs), since you need the vocal audio to go through the external KP3 effects and back to the mixer through one of the Return inputs. During the music, the Aux1 will contain the vocal mic audio that is sent to the KP3 (or to multiple KP3's using a splitter).