Probably basic midi question...

[cello]

Hi all

I have real basic midi requirements - I only use midi to control tempo on all the things I have hooked up.

Was working on a song (sequencer) today and unusually I had the OASYS set as the master (it's usually the D3200 recorder).

But something really, REALLY annoying happened. I'd get to the end of the song and all is fine. I liked it so much that I would press the Locate button to get back to the beginning. Bad idea it would seem...

Looks like the Locate button sends a midi reset signal to all the other instruments! So my ER-1 goes to A01 although I was using B08. The Radias goes to I01, although I was using L07. My T3 goes to C00 although I was using C51. What's that all about?!!!!

Now this was annoying as I hadn't saved the edits on the Radias

So how do I stop the Locate button sending a darned reset cc or whatever they're called? Please?!

[SCHWEATS]

When sequencing, as soon as possible when picking a sound from an internal or external source, insert a program/patch change at the very beginning of the song on each track at location 1|1|000. As you noted, each track resets
to the 1st program in whatever bank you were in which is indicative of
a default program function. In a computer based sequencing application such as Digital Performer that I use , this is function can be turned off. I am not aware of how that would be toggled 'off' using the Sequencer on the Oasys,
however, by inserting a program change of your choice you would still retain
your programs when the machine does reset.

HTH - Schweats

[Kontrol49]

When sequencing, as soon as possible when picking a sound from an internal or external source, insert a program/patch change at the very beginning of the song on each track at location 1|1|000. As you noted, each track resets

HTH - Schweats

+1


In any song you create,if your using a Midi sequencer software or hardware,then good practice is to keep the First 2 measures of a song (Blank)and use that for setup information for each track,this way everytime you reset the song or replay it,it will call up the correct patches and settings per track.

Good housekeeping at the start of a sequence will save you loads of frustration,I used to program Midi files for a living,the first thing before I would even sequence a note was to create a song template header with all utility and setup info (CC/program changes/system exclusive normally with each Midi channel staggered over time locations)only then would I start sequencing, and its something that has stuck with me for life.

Whenever I start sequencing I simply load in this Template header and alter the values to suit the sounds I need.this way i know the song will play exactly the correct sound everytime I Load it Or in this case no worries of the Locate screwing it all up


if anyone would like this Header file then I can host it up for people to Download,or you can PM with your email address if you prefer its simply a midi file with all setup info for 16 channels,you'll then have to load it into your sequencer and alter the respective values of the data for your song in each channel to call up the correct sounds etc,I also have a 48 track/Channel version for the MPC4000.

[X-Trade]

A part of the point though is that the Korg sequencer is supposed to take care of this for you. Just make sure you have your program numbers and mix values set up in your sequencer project.

'locate' returns to the start of the sequence and causes the OASYS (applies to any Korg workstation) as the master sequencer/keyboard to tell all the other synths where they should be. Each track's program number, level, and pan are all stored in the sequencer settings so they are effectively already inserted at the start of the song for you.

If you don't want to do that then you could disable transmission or receipt of program change messages, but really this feature is designed to help and works quite well when embraced.
Obviously do make sure you save your edits to any synths.

[cello]

Thanks for the replies - obviously a lot of experience between you!

However - it's like you're talking a different language!

This is how I read it... I have a song on the sequencer (which I don't use often). Radias is on Midi channel 3 which I am playing live (ie not sequenced from the O). So I have to find a midi setting that says don't send anything on channel 3 - is that it? But doesn't that mean track 3 on the O sequencer won't work?

My song has 3 tracks all using O sounds. They use the first 3 tracks. So maybe I should set the Radias to a channel (track) I'm not going to use say like channel 10?

I'll give it a go and see what happens. Appreciate your feedback very much; many thanks!

[cello]

A part of the point though is that the Korg sequencer is supposed to take care of this for you. Just make sure you have your program numbers and mix values set up in your sequencer project.

'locate' returns to the start of the sequence and causes the OASYS (applies to any Korg workstation) as the master sequencer/keyboard to tell all the other synths where they should be. Each track's program number, level, and pan are all stored in the sequencer settings so they are effectively already inserted at the start of the song for you.

If you don't want to do that then you could disable transmission or receipt of program change messages, but really this feature is designed to help and works quite well when embraced.
Obviously do make sure you save your edits to any synths.

Cross posted! Thanks for your reply. Am very new to this midi stuff (yes I know, am a dinosaur!).

So there's a setting on the O Seq to find a particular instrument and select which sound? Or am I being completely dim? (probably - lol).

Time to get the manual out and play with settings...

Don't know how many times I've posted on this board to say 'always save edits'! And then don't do it myself...

So - am a dinosaur re midi and a dipstick re saving... Lordy, ozy will have a field day...

[X-Trade]

If you're not sequencing it from the O then make sure the track on that channel isn't set to External (EXT) or Both (BTH?).
Program and mix information will only be sent out on tracks configured for External operation. I believe the default configuration in sequencer mode is for all tracks to be set to Both operation.


Remember that sequencer mode is very similar to combi mode. You select the program number just like you do for your internal tracks.

[cello]

*Unbridled joy*

Sorted it

In the Midi setup of the Global settings, there is a checkbox to enable program change. I unchecked that box and saved the settings.

Et voila! Thanks for your replies - proved that there is much I have to learn about midi!

[cello]

And another related discovery that might help an ailing Kronos user so desperate they may come to the OASYS forum...

Once I got everything back again, I loaded my favourite Karo library for some great acoustic expressions... BANG!!! Everything haywire again

Remember that libraries seem to import their own global settings and overwrite your own carefully setup one!!

At least I knew how to sort it this time...

[Kontrol49]

And another related discovery that might help an ailing Kronos user so desperate they may come to the OASYS forum...

Once I got everything back again, I loaded my favourite Karo library for some great acoustic expressions... BANG!!! Everything haywire again

Remember that libraries seem to import their own global settings and overwrite your own carefully setup one!!

At least I knew how to sort it this time...

You can disable Midi data/Program changes in Song mode/Combi mode as well,no need to globally do it,if your using a song slot anyway for Midi clock purposes save that song With the filtered out data and then reload when you need it and the filter settings will be saved along with any other info on the song.

its why I always work with a song template with setup info on,because for the exact same reason that if you load in different sound settings that you used ages ago,chances are your global settings or other data may have changed since then or you may have overwritten certain patch locations so at least your song is always going to be the same everytime and I always include a system exclusive dump of the setups and sound banks from devices used at that time for that song along with Scene automation on the Digital mixers i use so it will always be as I Left it,so every mix is captured and will reload into the devices the correct patches upon song start thats another reason,Why I don't sequence on the Oasys because its not that flexible with its System exclusive data and its simply not powerful enough for my midi setup environment to be the main sequencer Hub.

I can still load in songs to a sequencer I made from a decade ago and they still recall everything(global setting and patches etc to those devices used) as it was when I made the track(although I don't have some of the devices I had back then)if i ever bought any back again know it will be as it was when i did mixes and all

Each to their own method of working but in a large midi setup like I use its crucial to have a rule of thumb with keeping everything in check with setting up especially as my setup has changed dramatically over the years and I suspect its just as beneficial in a small setup too its also paramount for a live Midi setup,its why I've always stuck to this method,last thing you need is for your track to select the wrong sounds/Settings in a live set or for a midi sequence you made for a client to screw up.

I've been there and had those annoying moments a simple few housekeeping rules learnt along the way has saved me and also will save many hours of these types of moments.

[jg::]

Just a little point from one of your posts above, Cello.

Don't confuse Sequencer tracks on the O with MIDI channels. By default, when you turn the power on, Tracks 1 - 16 are set to MIDI channels 1 - 16, but you can freely set the MIDI channel of every track.

So, if you don't want anything at all on MIDI channel 3, make sure there's no track set to MIDI channel 3.

jg::