Just picked up my Kronos 61!

[McHale]

the triton classic i was refering to about the M50s screen is still here... the lady who brought it managed to:
- break the L/R outputs..
- break the sustain jack

If she has my bass player, I can understand how this happened. I literally had to start velcro'ing all of my cables that plug into the back of my keys because my idiot bass player runs and jumps around like a 3 year old. More than once he's stepped on a cable and pulled cables out of output jacks, damper, etc.

It sucks that kronos has that joystick
and doesnt have the yamaha keybed

I agree 100%. You forgot to tack on a 76 key semi-weighted to round it out though.

Interesting fact-oid: I'll be audition for a national act (one that EVERYBODY on here knows) here any day now and you know what keyboard I'm taking? The Triton Classic. I went through the patches I need for the audition and many are organs and the organs on the Triton have a presence and balls that the M3 just doesn't have. I'm still going to take delivery of the Kronos 88 (and hopefully play a 61 key beforehand), but I'm debating picking up a TEX-76, and holding off until the next iteration of the KRONOS in hopes they make a 76 key semi-weighted.

[Rosen Sound]

I just traded my tex 61 for a tex 76... very very happy!

I dont even wanna think about the kronos 73 it was such a disapointment to me
I think im gona get the 61, and control it when recording with my triton, the action and joystyick is better. but i will do all my patching on the kronos itself or through the software editor.

which act would this be :O

[McHale]

which act would this be :O

When it's all over, I'll say. We've been going back and forth for the past few days on setting up a time to audition. The songs I was sent are new songs with NO keys so it's not a matter of learning the parts but writing parts that they like. I don't want to say mainly because I don't want anyone to know (them included) that I'm even talking about it. I will say the audition is at his very swanky mansion. I guess there's a bunch of people auditioning and I'm not real confident in the parts I worked up. Everything was written (and overdubbed with extra guitars) with NO keys planned. So adding keys on top gets very crowded once you go beyond pads and simple chords. I did work up three completely different keyboard parts for all the songs though so they can pick and choose what they like. My fingers are crossed is about all I can say at this point. There are a LOT better players than me in the Chicago-land area.

[ScoobyDoo555]

You'll be fine mate - good luck

It isn't about playing ability (although I'm sure that isn't in question!) - your personality and band integration is much more important (I've got some intense experience of this - with a rather well known Reggae group )

Just be yourself.

*disclaimer - not trying to be patronising or condescending: just supportive!)

Dan

[McHale]

But the rest is pretty much identical to the OASYS and the M3.

except of course the additional sound engines, set list mode, less than 1/2 the price, STREAMING samples, DAW functionality, and new features in the OS.

Pretty much identical.

[cello]

But the rest is pretty much identical to the OASYS and the M3.

except of course the additional sound engines, set list mode, less than 1/2 the price, STREAMING samples, DAW functionality, and new features in the OS.

Pretty much identical.

And of course the simple statement of fact - no OASYS = no Kronos.

Think about it!

(Although I would never put the M3 in the same sentence as the other bigger keyboard with the larger, tilting screen - which of course the Kronos DOESN'T have...)

[jahrome]

But the rest is pretty much identical to the OASYS and the M3.

except of course the additional sound engines, set list mode, less than 1/2 the price, STREAMING samples, DAW functionality, and new features in the OS.

Pretty much identical.

And of course the simple statement of fact - no OASYS = no Kronos.

Think about it!

(Although I would never put the M3 in the same sentence as the other bigger keyboard with the larger, tilting screen - which of course the Kronos DOESN'T have...)

Don't misunderstand me. I am not trivializing what Kronos can do. But it still is a rehash of the Oasys with additional sounds at a cheaper price. Beyond that, if you look at the Kronos and M3's spec sheets, they are nearly identical. Kronos may have set list mode that the M3 doesn't. But the M3s cue list mode that the Kronos doesn't have would get more use from me. While Kronos has a 16 track hard disk recording, it wouldn't get significant use out of me until it has the M3's deeper editing which is superior to the Kronos. As far as DAW functionality, I can't see where it does anything better than the M3. In fact, the M3 with firewire support integrates better with a DAW.

Bottom line, you can pretty much throw out Kronos' user manuals and use either the OASYS or M3s manuals.

[cello]

Bottom line, you can pretty much throw out Kronos' user manuals and use either the OASYS or M3s manuals.

Agree and disagree.

Yes, O manual(s) very similar to K - as danatkorg has shown in posts here several times.

M3 screens however are different in many ways, so not sure you can say the same for the M3 manuals - also M3 doesn't have the engine structure or parameter controls the O and K share (HD-1, MOD-7, etc).

[cello]

But the rest is pretty much identical to the OASYS and the M3.

except of course the additional sound engines, set list mode, less than 1/2 the price, STREAMING samples, DAW functionality, and new features in the OS.

Pretty much identical.

Sorry but have to follow up on your post McHale!

So, let's strip out the O from the K. You are left with a keyboard that has two (piano) engines, a set list mode (that only works with the two engines), SSD, DAW, and new stuff in OS. Would you buy that?

No, I thought not.

What makes the Kronos is the OASYS part. There's little point to having extras if there is no substance. The O provides the substance - not the K. The K is a bolt-on to the O. And remember it is half the price because a) the R&D was done on the O and b) it is made from cheaper components.

So the massive bulk of the K is down to the O. 7/9ths in fact. Has my O suddenly become unplayable because it doesn't have SSD? Erm, no. Could you tell the difference from a track I produce whether the samples were streamed or not? Erm, no.

I hate to quote ozy, 'but let's deal with the facts'. If the O wasn't as good as it is, the extras mean little IN THEIR OWN RIGHT and you wouldn't buy it (without the O part).

[MartinHines]

I am not trivializing what Kronos can do. But it still is a rehash of the Oasys with additional sounds at a cheaper price.

Bottom line, you can pretty much throw out Kronos' user manuals and use either the OASYS or M3s manuals.

I would say the Kronos is the OASYS at a lower price point with some new functionality and sounds.

While the majority of the manuals are similar, I definitely only use the Kronos manuals.

If a person is familiar with the OASYS manuals and M3 manuals, they will already have a great knowedge base for the Kronos.

[jahrome]

I am not trivializing what Kronos can do. But it still is a rehash of the Oasys with additional sounds at a cheaper price.

Bottom line, you can pretty much throw out Kronos' user manuals and use either the OASYS or M3s manuals.

I would say the Kronos is the OASYS at a lower price point with some new functionality and sounds.

While there the majority of the manuals are similar, I definitely only use the Kronos manuals.

If a person is familiar with the OASYS manuals and M3 manuals, they will already have a great knowedge base for the Kronos.

I would like to address the "new functionality." It goes without saying that the new sound engines will have different structures/added parameters as cello pointed out. But unless I am missing something, I don't see much more beyond that. Sampling and Sequencing mode of the Kronos is nearly identical to that of the OASYS and M3. I was using the M3 manual to determine what was left out of the Kronos. I am puzzled as to why the improvements to the M3's sequencer hasn't been added to Kronos.

[ozy]

I hate to quote ozy

especially because you gotta pay royalties on my Famous Sentences (c) (TM) (r)

[PauloF]

Just to say that I have no experience with Korg or yamaha boards, but in what regards Roland, from the RD-170 built like a tank to the sturdy and sonically unique V-Synth XT, to the Fantom Xa (fantom X little brother, but yet up to their name), to the PCR-500 and to the Cakewalk A-800 Pro MIDI controllers (very cheap looks, but well built), the only problem I got so far was with the Fantom Xa MOD wheel, which after intensive use, wear out and had to be replaced.
Apart from that, nothing negative worth to mention

[ScoobyDoo555]

Of course, this does beg the question, for those who are comparing Kronos to M3 etc.......

Why not just buy an M3 then? It does more pertinent & focused tasks than Kronos....

Kronos is more focused I think to performance imho. Aside from the additional engines, Set List has been one of THE definitive reasons for my getting it.

Yeh, it works well in my studio, but it's in a different league when putting on stage.

[michelkeijzers]

Set lists is indeed one of the major improvements. Currently I have to rearrange a lot of combi before a gig when someone decides the order of songs has to change. I currently leave gaps in between to make my life easier.