Rocness wrote:Both are great workstations and have something special to offer so your question shouldn't be which one to get but which one to get first .
Now mind you I don't own a Motif or a Kronos but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night .
Actually the original topic question didn't have anything in it about Roland or Kurzweil, but I do appreciate your honest appraisal of both the Kronos and Motif (of which you don't own either!).
I don't know why I've taken a disliking to your posts, but I couldn't help not pointing out a few things (double negatives are attention getters!).
there is value in every keyboard.. and emotional excess in favour of any board/manufacturer is plain dumb.
michelkeijzers wrote:Actually I don't mind much where the X versus Y posts are ... if I am not interested in the topic (name), I don't read its content.
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Mystic38 wrote:if only everyone would be so sensible...lol
there is value in every keyboard.. and emotional excess in favour of any board/manufacturer is plain dumb.
michelkeijzers wrote:Actually I don't mind much where the X versus Y posts are ... if I am not interested in the topic (name), I don't read its content.
I think, for people who are not prof musicians, and is looking for a nice keyboard/toy(!!!), either K or XF will do just fine. Pure comparison for features, I think K is better(personal opinion only).
In my opinion, if someone is looking for 61keys, and is on a budget, these days the XF is a bargain. I picked one up few weeks ago, because of that. used prices are falling like crazy. probably because of the increased popularity of K and Jupiter probably. Good times
I don't know anything about music. In my line you don't have to -- Elvis Presley.
songbird wrote:I think, for people who are not prof musicians, and is looking for a nice keyboard/toy(!!!), either K or XF will do just fine. Pure comparison for features, I think K is better(personal opinion only).
In my opinion, if someone is looking for 61keys, and is on a budget, these days the XF is a bargain. I picked one up few weeks ago, because of that. used prices are falling like crazy. probably because of the increased popularity of K and Jupiter probably. Good times
In the Netherlands a new XF 61 still costs 2500 euro while Kronos 61 costs 3000 euro. For that 'little' price difference I know what I would choose.
songbird wrote:In my opinion, if someone is looking for 61keys, and is on a budget, these days the XF is a bargain.
Prices on tech go down, sure, and that's great. However, if someone is truly on a budget, why would they be comparing flagship workstations?
Best of what they can buy for the money they have I guess. if a person has a $1500 budget and a flagship KB is available for that price, why not buy it ?
I was looking for a Kronos, and was going to buy in December. but, when a XF came along with a substantial diff in price, I broke down and grabbed it. I may probably regret it later, I know... but that will be an year or 2 later. By then I can sell and purchase, or add a K to the list(I hope).
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michelkeijzers wrote:
In the Netherlands a new XF 61 still costs 2500 euro while Kronos 61 costs 3000 euro. For that 'little' price difference I know what I would choose.
I never realized the XF was selling for around $2400 here. That's a pretty good price. If the XF has a piano anywhere near the S90ES, then it's a very good deal. Although it still cannot do nearly as much as the Kurzweil PC3 for live use, it is still a very solid keyboard.
So at $2400, it's within $200 or less of the Kronos 61. I still think the Kronos is way ahead of anyone else but all the Motifs on stage show a compelling argument towards getting the XF.
Aron
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Aron,
You can buy XF6 for $2K these days, new from store. If you need pointers, feel free to PM me.
*Disclaimer: I am not advertising XF, or recommending XF over Kronos to anyone(I like Kronos better). I just happen to buy an XF6 few days ago for my own reasons...
I don't know anything about music. In my line you don't have to -- Elvis Presley.
I tried a Jupiter 80 yesterday and set with the instrument for about 20 minutes. Yep, those supernatural instrument sounds are truly incredible! However, the Jupiter 80 really confuses me as an instrument. Here's why:
The very knowledgable keyboard rep at the music shop gave me a brief demo of the Jupiter 80 and told me that it's heritage is actually from the Roland Atelia Organ series judging by the fact that those organs use super natural voice technologies and the JP80 has 'registration switches' under it's keyboard just like the Roland organs do. And since when has any synthesiser called it's patches/programs/voices/combis/set ups or whatever 'registrations'?????
In typical Roland fashion, I found the JP80 needlessly complicated to get to grips with without anyone clearly showing me how things work (unlike playing anything by Korg or Kurzweil). It's an extremely complex instrument whose Jupiter roots couldn't be any further from the original instrument of 1981!
It seems that Roland are really changing their product lines at the moment and the won't be producing arranger keyboards anymore. It will be interesting to see how Roland will respond to the Kronos seeing as though their Fantom G workstations have been out for a few years now. Perhaps a new workstation based on 'Supernatual Technology' could be in the pipeline????
Ah hang on....... isn't this a Kronos versus Motif XF post on Korg Forums?????????
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The very knowledgable keyboard rep at the music shop gave me a brief demo of the Jupiter 80 and told me that it's heritage is actually from the Roland Atelia Organ series judging by the fact that those organs use super natural voice technologies and the JP80 has 'registration switches' under it's keyboard just like the Roland organs do. And since when has any synthesiser called it's patches/programs/voices/combis/set ups or whatever 'registrations'?????
It's amazing what a sales rep can come up with.
In typical Roland fashion, I found the JP80 needlessly complicated to get to grips with without anyone clearly showing me how things work (unlike playing anything by Korg or Kurzweil). It's an extremely complex instrument whose Jupiter roots couldn't be any further from the original instrument of 1981!
I have no idea why you found the JP-80 complicated. Its work flow is extremely streamlined and logical. Everything you need is on the front panel or on the screen unless you want to go deep into the serious editing mode.
Seriously. The Jupiter structure is really simple to understand and the layout is extremely efficient. I'm not sure what is confusing people. I also think that sales guy is just making stuff up.
To keep this thread on track..... I'm actually thinking about swapping my Kronos for an XF. Probably won't because of the XF action but I do like the layout as a controller.
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I have the S70XS and its the same action as the motif.. personally i would put it above the RH3 in feel, but below the RD and CP.
Personally, I would not buy the XF for its piano sounds.. the full concert grand is decent (way below Kronos tho) however the S6 is not worth playing IMO.. it has the sample set as the S70/90 and there is a fundamental problem in the samples around D2.. a pronounced string buzz that is obvious under even gentle playing..no amount of patch edited has solved this and so I therefore do not use any of the piano patches that are based on this sample set...
The XF will of course be getting karma 3.0 so that may be an attraction..
Bruce Lychee wrote:Seriously. The Jupiter structure is really simple to understand and the layout is extremely efficient. I'm not sure what is confusing people. I also think that sales guy is just making stuff up.
To keep this thread on track..... I'm actually thinking about swapping my Kronos for an XF. Probably won't because of the XF action but I do like the layout as a controller.
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(double negatives are attention getters!).
