Kronos (hardware) vs Komplete8 (software)

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:01 pm

RonF do you record and edit automation on Maschine? I tried it once and immediately went back to Ableton.

And to try and keep this thread on topic......

No one has mentioned latency. I will soon be trying out my new MBP with Komplete 7, but I doubt it will match the immediacy of the Kronos for drums and other fast-attack sounds. I was originally thinking Kore 3 keyboard version plus Komplete7 plue RME UFX for low latency rompling. But Kore is now dead

And I am glad I had some money when Kronos was announced. It just couldn't hurt to have the top-of-the-line Korg workstation! Immediate ease of use for basic keyboard sounds. Everything else is gravy. Looking forward to playing with Komplete now that I have a laptop that can (hopefully) handle those plugins in my Live performance set. I will report back on the ease-of-use.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:11 pm

nowtime wrote:No one has mentioned latency. I will soon be trying out my new MBP with Komplete 7, but I doubt it will match the immediacy of the Kronos for drums and other fast-attack sounds.

Kronos has 6-8 ms of latency. Not unlike your regular DAW with a fine-tuned machine.

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:21 pm

Where do you get that number 6-8ms?

I was going to deny that at first because I run my DAW at about 8ms which works for most things but nor for drums, it's just a little too much.

But perhaps the Kronos is at 6ms. That could explain the ever-so-slight lack of "yes!" that I experience with the drums compared to what I remember on the M3 I demoed years ago. Would the M3 and/or Trex be operating at lower latency than the K?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:33 pm

http://si7-lab.blogspot.com/2011/06/kro ... -slow.html

8-10 ms of round-trip latency.

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:03 pm

There's got to be some other variables. 10ms would be extremely obvious and 8ms is not unnoticeable.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:20 pm

Round trip means audio in, through engine/fx, and out again. It's not the same as triggering notes from a midikeyboard or the internal keyboard.
Not saying the latency isn't there or even similar to the round-trip, but as far as I understand it, it's a different calculation to make.

EDIT: I just checked the link, should've done that before, sorry. I don't think this is round trip latency unless the round-trip is "sending midi from the computer and recording the audio from the Kronos into the computer". Which, since I don't see him specifying how he did it, might be influenced heavily by the computer and soundcard.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:24 pm

http://si7-lab.blogspot.com/2011/06/met ... tency.html

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:34 pm

Thanks! I find it a little difficult to decipher what he means though. It seems he's quite thorough in his efforts, but he measured 9.6 ms for the piano? I played it and would DEFINITELY have felt that amount. I go crazy if my midi-based latency is higher than 7ms in my home studio. I didn't feel anything like that when playing it. Perhaps there is some delay in de Kronos midi input for some reason? Can someone confirm a feeling of sluggishness playing Kronos through an external keyboard?

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:52 am

Latency of a piano is 15 - 50ms. Some pipe organ notes can be 0.500ms.

Zeroesque · Post by **Zeroesque** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:05 am

SanderXpander wrote:Can someone confirm a feeling of sluggishness playing Kronos through an external keyboard?

I can't. I've been playing my Kronos through a MIDI controller 90% of the time since June 6th and it feels fine. Maybe ignorance is bliss.

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:37 am

My PC has been acting up lately so I wan't to get a MacBook. Will I see any benefit with the 2.0 v 2.3 chip. Is 4 gigs enough on the new Macbooks? Also, would you guys go SSD? Really expensive and I'm not sure 250 gigs will be enough with programs like Omnisphere taking up 50+ gigs.

rkuli · Post by **rkuli** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:17 am

Bruce Lychee wrote:My PC has been acting up lately so I wan't to get a MacBook. Will I see any benefit with the 2.0 v 2.3 chip. Is 4 gigs enough on the new Macbooks? Also, would you guys go SSD? Really expensive and I'm not sure 250 gigs will be enough with programs like Omnisphere taking up 50+ gigs.

Bruce, take a look at OWC (Other World Computing) http://www.macsales.com/

Look at their SSD upgrade options and their optical drive replacement kits. I have a 2.xx ghz MacBook Pro with 8 gigs of ram. Its a few years old now but I don't have any issues running Live, Maschine, Reason via Rewire, a Virus TI and recording the Kronos Audio.

RK

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:39 am

Thanks. Might consider that route. So you think the latest MacBook 2.0 chip should be good enough? Spend my money on the SSD and memory?

Sina172 · Post by **Sina172** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:16 am

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:22 am

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I think 2.3 Macbook with 4g ram and 512 gb SSD. Sound right?