RH3 difference between SV-1/PA-588. Which one in Kronos-88?

davc1 · Post by **davc1** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:03 pm

i have a new Kronos 88 ... for about 6 weeks ...

always had Yamaha 88's in the past ... several decades ...

the Kronos will feel just fine if you play/practice on it a few hours .. !

playing scales and some exercises will retrain your muscle memory ...

have you ever gone from one real piano to another and have them feel exactly the same ... i doubt it ... a functioning brain will adapt pretty quickly

jorgemncardoso · Post by **jorgemncardoso** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:59 pm

Just a side note for people having trouble with their old 88 key keyboard's action, how often do you service your keyboards? It's normal for any keyboard to be sluggish after a few years but it doesn't mean the the keyboard is shot, or that the initial great action is gone. It just means you have to take the whole thing apart, key by key clean and degrease everything on the keybed. Re-grease all key guides and pivot points and reassemble everything again. I guarantee that your old key action will feel pretty close to new.

PianoManChuck · Post by **PianoManChuck** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:24 pm

davc1 wrote:i have a new Kronos 88 ... for about 6 weeks ...

always had Yamaha 88's in the past ... several decades ...

the Kronos will feel just fine if you play/practice on it a few hours .. !

playing scales and some exercises will retrain your muscle memory ...

have you ever gone from one real piano to another and have them feel exactly the same ... i doubt it ... a functioning brain will adapt pretty quickly

Excellent answer! The most accurate yet!

madbeatzyo111 · Post by **madbeatzyo111** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:28 pm

davc1 wrote:i have a new Kronos 88 ... for about 6 weeks ...

always had Yamaha 88's in the past ... several decades ...

the Kronos will feel just fine if you play/practice on it a few hours .. !

playing scales and some exercises will retrain your muscle memory ...

have you ever gone from one real piano to another and have them feel exactly the same ... i doubt it ... a functioning brain will adapt pretty quickly

Of course you can adapt, but that doesn't mean you will enjoy it...especially if you have access to other keyboards with better actions.

PianoManChuck · Post by **PianoManChuck** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:20 pm

madbeatzyo111 wrote:
davc1 wrote:i have a new Kronos 88 ... for about 6 weeks ...

always had Yamaha 88's in the past ... several decades ...

the Kronos will feel just fine if you play/practice on it a few hours .. !

playing scales and some exercises will retrain your muscle memory ...

have you ever gone from one real piano to another and have them feel exactly the same ... i doubt it ... a functioning brain will adapt pretty quickly
Of course you can adapt, but that doesn't mean you will enjoy it...especially if you have access to other keyboards with better actions.

I remember doing piano recitals as a child and as a teenager. You didn't get to "pick" your piano or its associated action. Whatever was at the recital hall was what you played - end of story. Same scenario continued throughout life as I got older - whatever piano/keyboard was available at a venue, party, banquet hall, whatever... that's what you played!

While a keyboard or piano's action might make it more enjoyable to the performer, the bottom line is that you need to perform well no matter what keyboard/piano you're playing on. Most professional pianists (orchestral or solo, televised or private) don't bring their pianos with them, yet they perform well no matter what set of keys they use.

For me, the Kronos happens to have great action!! But the sounds of the German & Japanese pianos are phenomenal! For that reason alone, I'd have bought the Kronos, even if it had the old RH2 action (as my Triton does).

Maybe its just me, but I simply can't believe how much time is spent talking about subtle nuances of keyboard action on this forum. If action is that important and you still want all the capabilities of the Kronos, get a controller that fits what you're looking for and hook it up to the Kronos.

PinkFloydDudi · Post by **PinkFloydDudi** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:29 pm

madbeatzyo111 wrote:
davc1 wrote:i have a new Kronos 88 ... for about 6 weeks ...

always had Yamaha 88's in the past ... several decades ...

the Kronos will feel just fine if you play/practice on it a few hours .. !

playing scales and some exercises will retrain your muscle memory ...

have you ever gone from one real piano to another and have them feel exactly the same ... i doubt it ... a functioning brain will adapt pretty quickly
Of course you can adapt, but that doesn't mean you will enjoy it...especially if you have access to other keyboards with better actions.

You can also use the keyboard you think has the best action to play the sounds from the Kronos...

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:37 pm

Don't you end up losing the note off velocity info on the piano and EP sounds if you use an external controller?

PinkFloydDudi · Post by **PinkFloydDudi** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:48 pm

Bruce Lychee wrote:Don't you end up losing the note off velocity info on the piano and EP sounds if you use an external controller?

As I've said before - there is always the option to use that better keyboard you have instead of the kronos right?

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:26 pm

PinkFloydDudi wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote:Don't you end up losing the note off velocity info on the piano and EP sounds if you use an external controller?
As I've said before - there is always the option to use that better keyboard you have instead of the kronos right?

I'm just saying if you use an external controller you lose some of the information that is otherwise there if you are playing it through the Kronos. So yes, there is the option, but it isn't necessarily an equal option because you lose some of the audible information, however subtle it might be.

madbeatzyo111 · Post by **madbeatzyo111** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:33 pm

PianoManChuck wrote: I remember doing piano recitals as a child and as a teenager. You didn't get to "pick" your piano or its associated action.

True, but we also didn't have to pay 4 grand for the privilege either.

PianoManChuck wrote: Most professional pianists (orchestral or solo, televised or private) don't bring their pianos with them, yet they perform well no matter what set of keys they use.

That's because those venues always provide top-level pianos from standrad well-known piano manufacturers. The behavior of these pianos would be intimately familiar and very likely acceptable to any seriously trained pianist.

PianoManChuck · Post by **PianoManChuck** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:33 am

madbeatzyo111 wrote:
PianoManChuck wrote: I remember doing piano recitals as a child and as a teenager. You didn't get to "pick" your piano or its associated action.
True, but we also didn't have to pay 4 grand for the privilege either.

PianoManChuck wrote: Most professional pianists (orchestral or solo, televised or private) don't bring their pianos with them, yet they perform well no matter what set of keys they use.
That's because those venues always provide top-level pianos from standrad well-known piano manufacturers. The behavior of these pianos would be intimately familiar and very likely acceptable to any seriously trained pianist.

I remember doing some venues with horrible pianos... even out of tune!

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:46 am

Bruce Lychee wrote:
PinkFloydDudi wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote:Don't you end up losing the note off velocity info on the piano and EP sounds if you use an external controller?
As I've said before - there is always the option to use that better keyboard you have instead of the kronos right?
I'm just saying if you use an external controller you lose some of the information that is otherwise there if you are playing it through the Kronos. So yes, there is the option, but it isn't necessarily an equal option because you lose some of the audible information, however subtle it might be.

I agree with you, especially for precise and responsive piano feel.

Since Kronos has 5 star pianos and ep's, I do not want to miss any nuance of them by using another midi controller.

davc1 · Post by **davc1** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:17 pm

playing the Kronos or any keyboard via a quality midi controller should Not loose any note/sound info .. ! midi has never worked that way ..

you would need to 'set-up' the controller to respond as closely as possible to the Kronos keyboard ... velocity curve , etc ...

if i where to play the same sound patch on the K88 and a K61 ... they would sound different because the action is different .. if the sound generator is getting the same midi data input , it will sound/work the same.. ! key noises , hammer noises , etc ... are in the samples , not the keybed ...

as i said , my very favorite piano-like action is in the upper end Rolands . but that means 2 keyboards , when i want just 1 ...

every keyboard is some kind of compromise ... you either adapt or whine . i'd rather adapt .

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:23 pm

davc1 wrote:playing the Kronos or any keyboard via a quality midi controller should Not loose any note/sound info .. ! midi has never worked that way ..

you would need to 'set-up' the controller to respond as closely as possible to the Kronos keyboard ... velocity curve , etc ...

if i where to play the same sound patch on the K88 and a K61 ... they would sound different because the action is different .. if the sound generator is getting the same midi data input , it will sound/work the same.. ! key noises , hammer noises , etc ... are in the samples , not the keybed ...

as i said , my very favorite piano-like action is in the upper end Rolands . but that means 2 keyboards , when i want just 1 ...

every keyboard is some kind of compromise ... you either adapt or whine . i'd rather adapt .

Bruce and I have read the same from a very good source- note off velocity info is lost when controlling Kronos with a midi controller

Jon Lord · Post by **Jon Lord** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:49 pm

GregC wrote:Bruce and I have read the same from a very good source- note off velocity info is lost when controlling Kronos with a midi controller

Not completely lost, instead of a midi value between 0-127 I think Dan mentioned that it is automatically set to 64 if no value is recieved via midi.