Deleting Programs in a Bank on the OASYS

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Deleting Programs in a Bank on the OASYS

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I have made up a small list of custom sounds for the OASYS from another library. Is is possible to delete these programs that are spaced far from each other, so that they're P00,01,02,03,etc.?

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It is possible but will take you dozens of hours!

Simple and realistic answer is no - you need a librarian for that, which Korg has never produced.

To do it the long way, you need to look at all the locations of all the multisamples and see what programs/combis use them. Then you need to compare this with the multisamples used by each one of the sounds in the bank you want to install.

Any multisamples you introduce may overwrite other multisamples used by other progs which means they won't sound the same.

So you need to put your new multisamples in a location that none of your other banks use.

See what I mean? Complicated and time intensive! I believe that there is a librarian in development by a KF member but I don't think it's released yet.

If your new bank uses existing multisamples then your job may be easier as long as your new bank doesn't change their location.
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It may just be my opinion, but I feel that Korg really dropped the ball on this one. They started out to make a true workstation, and then once again they started cutting corners.

I've deleted programs from OTHER Korg workstations with no problems.

It seems Korg wanted to shut out third party developers by making the OASYS next to impossible to work with regarding sound design. And from what I've heard, the they didn't fix that on the Kronos.

I think Korg owes one more legitimate update to address major issues if their reputation is to remain intact. Yes, the OASYS has fantastic sounds the the architecture needs more than a few tweaks.
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Hi,

not sure if I understand your question correct ... do the programs use new samples/multisamples or the factory ones?

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trancept wrote:It may just be my opinion, but I feel that Korg really dropped the ball on this one. They started out to make a true workstation, and then once again they started cutting corners.

I've deleted programs from OTHER Korg workstations with no problems.

It seems Korg wanted to shut out third party developers by making the OASYS next to impossible to work with regarding sound design. And from what I've heard, the they didn't fix that on the Kronos.

I think Korg owes one more legitimate update to address major issues if their reputation is to remain intact. Yes, the OASYS has fantastic sounds the the architecture needs more than a few tweaks.
You may be right - but it is indicative of how the other producers are going too.

The brand new JP-80 from Roland can only save all banks - not a single bank/live set/registration.

At least with the O or K, you can save individual banks.

But, yes, to work beyond that takes time and some dedication. And it took me a long, long time to get to a system that works for me. But it's possible.

To be balanced about this, there are great third party libraries out there for the O and now/soon for the K - like Karo, Karmalab and Irish Acts. You need to be very methodical about how you use/save them but again, getting to a workflow that is good for you is possible.
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Shoot, I just want to make music, not deal with technical issues which OASYS and others are now presenting. How can you sell a keyboard based on such limitations?

Also, while it's possible to name songs with up to 15 characters/spaces, when you save it, you have to figure out to reduce it to 8 characters in the directory. I thought we left the DOS world a long time ago...
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trancept wrote:I have made up a small list of custom sounds for the OASYS from another library. Is is possible to delete these programs that are spaced far from each other, so that they're P00,01,02,03,etc.?

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Barry
Select the PCG file in disk mode and touch OPEN. Keep opening the file until you see the actual programs inside. Now use the tab in the top right of the screen to load the individual sounds one by one to progarms slots 000, 001, 002 and so on...

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cello wrote:It is possible but will take you dozens of hours!

Simple and realistic answer is no - you need a librarian for that, which Korg has never produced.
True... but in this case chances are he's referring to OASYS ASSAULT so he has access to the OASYS ASSAULT librarian (KSC GEN).

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trancept wrote:I have made up a small list of custom sounds for the OASYS from another library. Is is possible to delete these programs that are spaced far from each other, so that they're P00,01,02,03,etc.?

Yes. Open up this Program file on your hard drive. Press OPEN until you see the individual programs. Let's say you want to copy programs 10, 20, 30 and 40. Check MULTIPLE SELECT, highlight all of those, then LOAD to P00, in your RAM. They will be grouped together - "P00,01,02,03,etc."

Now SAVE the file.
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Sharp beat me to it, though using MULTIPLE SELECT will have you press LOAD only once and automatically put the files together.
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Yes, I have Assault for OASYS. I have contacted them repeatedly about consolidating a library, yet they have not responded. I thought I would take this to the forum to someone who knows. For what it's worth, I just wanted to construct small libraries such as vox, strings, pads, etc. I'm still not clear on what the best way to do this.

Sharp, I'll try to navigate to the parameters you suggest. Is there nothing that bothers you about the OASYS???
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Yes, I have Assault for OASYS. I have contacted them repeatedly about consolidating a library, yet they have not responded.
Ouch......!!!!!! I'm hurt by that because I am James Tubbritt the person you have been emailing, the owner of OASYS ASSAULT, and the person who HAS been sending you emails in reply. This has been going on many many weeks at this stage.

I have even gone to the bother of recording 3 videos I merged into one long video to show you how to use KSC GEN and the OASYS basic functions.

I have even responded to many of the questions you have posted on this forum that I also own and provide for free.

To say you have repeatedly contacted me and I have not responded has hurt my feelings. I've bent over backwards for you.
I thought I would take this to the forum to someone who knows
I've covered all this many times already by email and video. I've also told you more than once on the forum how to load individual sounds.
For what it's worth, I just wanted to construct small libraries such as vox, strings, pads, etc. I'm still not clear on what the best way to do this
You have all the information needed. It's been explained many times by me and others. Watch the video again and pause it as you go through the process side by side with me.
Is there nothing that bothers you about the OASYS???
It's the best keyboard I've every owned. File management when it comes to samples is a little annoying as it can take many hours of work for an advanced user to customise a purchased sample library. However, that's why I wrote KSC GEN for OASYS ASSAULT. It reduces hours of hard work down to minutes of clicking a mouse and loading.

I've done everything possible to make OASYS ASSAULT the best it can be. There's not another sample library in the world for a KORG keyboard that has such a tool available to it.

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Feel I have to chime in and state that the service and support from Irish Acts (sharp/James) is second to none and is exemplary.

The assault library works perfectly and the ksc tool is unique and also works perfectly.

Not only does assault work perfectly, it also sounds fantastic! Even when the Kronos version came out, sharp released a free update for OASYS users.

No other library has done this!
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Whoa! Hold on. Yes, the OASYS support from Irish Acts is very good. All I did was ask how to consolidate fave sounds on the library that are not neighbors, and in fact, are distant cousins. James sent a video which I greatly appreciated but at the very end of it, it was obvious he was typing/selecting options to pull all the fave stuff up together (at least that's the impression I got).

My follow-up was a simple clarification on how to do this. I sent two emails to James, and received no response. Therefore, I turned to the Forum to see if anyone knew how to do this.

I have great respect for both James and Sharp (if they aren't one and the same). I enjoy this forum as I am truly weary of 1000 pages manuals. I hope I'm knowledgeable enough to others. So much of the OASYS, is technical. I'm not a heavy "player" but I do enjoy the sounds.

I bought the Assault Library on other people's recommendation on this Forum. I don't regret it. I just wanted a straight answer on what seemed to be a simple question. As it turned out, a couple people did respond with suggestions.
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