Oasys for the future

[cello]

..however you see it I still grin everytime I switch the Oasys on and see that glowing screen and array of LEDs and continue to find new ideas when I use it....

I like that a lot and totally agree. Every time I sit with the OASYS is like a new adventure.

I didn't buy a Kronos but I did buy a Jupiter 80 and the combination works like a dream come true.

[videorov]

http://www.ketron.com/
Im going to try out a Audya 76 key by Ketron. They have very nice features in it and does more then the Kronos with a very nice 5 voice corder and much much more. I think people have not checked them out but they should.
They have features that they have had for awhile that the others are
just getting around to. You should check them out. Their sounds are
amazing. Same price range as the others. Im going to try one out for
something diffrent.

[dranandj]

it and does more then the Kronos with a very nice 5 voice corder and much much more.

I disagree......that is after going through the specs and watching a few You tube videos. There are no synthesis engines, no KARMA, no PC/MAC plugins and so on. May be the only place where it seems to be better than KRONOS is the build quality

Cello's, Jupiter 80? Now you are talking! That is a wiser choice especially for sound synthesis. Well done Cello! have fun!

[videorov]

Guess you didn't see this and alot more.

2 USB host sockets + 1 USB device allows AUDYA to properly communicate with new Multimedia gears and computers. External HD, Sticks, CD/DVD Rom and others mass storage devices can be easily connected, thus allowing one to quickly save, reload and transport complete music repertoires in total safety.

[McHale]

Guess you didn't see this and alot more.

2 USB host sockets + 1 USB device allows AUDYA to properly communicate with new Multimedia gears and computers. External HD, Sticks, CD/DVD Rom and others mass storage devices can be easily connected, thus allowing one to quickly save, reload and transport complete music repertoires in total safety.

That doesn't say anything about types of synthesis, modeling, sound engines, onboard recording, etc. What good is all those storage options if it doesn't sound that great?

[videorov]

You have to read about it and listen to it and learn what it can do.
Lots of video tutorials on there site aswell.
Nice to know whats going on in the rest of the Keyboard world.
See one at the next show and you will understand.
http://www.ketron.it/

http://www.ketron.it/index.php?option=c ... 0&lang=eng
Nice sounds on piano and organ

I enjoy learning and play new things.

Load your own drum sounds in from wav file and use them.
This sample at end of this video shows doing this with
Micheal Jackson song. sounds much better then midi and their real sounds
pattens change.

http://www.ketron.it/index.php?option=c ... 0&lang=eng


These horns sound great.
http://www.ketron.it/index.php?option=c ... ng#news201

Im sold.

[dranandj]

Personally I find it much more easier to be creative with synths and karma, and OASYS has lots of it. And since KRONOS is only OASYS inside a cheaper cardboard box and recycled plastic material , the sound quality would still at least be pristine!

videorov, I guess at the end of the day it is down to individual preference as to what one wants out of his keyboard/synth. Even if I worked for Ketron marketing , I would still find both OASYS I and II sounds atleast slightly better and the whole instrument much more versatile than AUDYA. But this is just my humble opinion.

[sani]

This is really a completely ridiculous topic. What is it about?
videorov starts it with a question about Oasys which he doesn't intend to buy at all and then it ends on a discussion about Audya?!
And I have to say, telling other people not to buy the Kronos is just plain stupid.

I won't be buying a Kronos and other people need to think the same. What is the Kronos future.

You buy an instrument for what it is at the point you bought it. Not what it could become based on your wishes and expectations. That's the case with every single keyboard out there.
And BTW, the Audya is an arranger keyboard. There is no point in comparing it with either the Oasys or the Kronos. Compare it with the Tyros or PaX if you want. Do you really think that Ketron will support the Audya for ten years?
Yes, Audya uses prerecorded drums and guitars and it sounds good on that part. But there are dozens of sample libraries with recorded drums and guitars on the market and they can all be used in a production on the Oasys or Kronos. The good thing is that it sounds real. The bad thing is that you have a static record and can't change anything on it. Once you use for example the pop 1 style and make your song with the prerecorded drums, with the intro, the fills the breaks and the ending, that will be it. The next time you use that style, your song will sound exactly the same. With midi you at least have the freedom to change the patterns, to record separate drum parts on separate tracks and mix them in any way you may want. Those are simply facts. The rest just requires basic understanding of how economy works. Even if Korg would open it's Oasys OS to others, does anybody really believe that there would be hundreds of "vst's" for the Oasys and their 3000 users? Do you really expect that a company would invest money to develop a virtual instrument for the Oasys with a user base of 3000 and where you know that not even everybody will buy it?

[michelkeijzers]

I agree to Sani above ... don't buy a synth for what it could become.

It's like buying a computer and expect in 10 years to run Windows 15.0 (or whatever) without any problems.

But the Oasys still sounds as good as it was when it was bought, so why complain now a new instrument is available? Of course it is hard that the Oasys was quite expensive compared to the Kronos, but at the buying time everyone interested in the Oasys had to decide for themselves if they want to invest the amount of money in it.

[videorov]

Personally I find it much more easier to be creative with synths and karma, and OASYS has lots of it. And since KRONOS is only OASYS inside a cheaper cardboard box and recycled plastic material , the sound quality would still at least be pristine!

videorov, I guess at the end of the day it is down to individual preference as to what one wants out of his keyboard/synth. Even if I worked for Ketron marketing , I would still find both OASYS I and II sounds atleast slightly better and the whole instrument much more versatile than AUDYA. But this is just my humble opinion.

Well this would be a good time to pick up a Oasys looks like. Ive seen
some real good prices on some in the lst few weeks.
You could used one of those with the Liontracs Groove and then play VST
throught it looks like too.

sani
You have a point about being able to edit the midi files.

[cello]

Of course it is hard that the Oasys was quite expensive compared to the Kronos, but at the buying time everyone interested in the Oasys had to decide for themselves if they want to invest the amount of money in it.

I think that's a little unfair Michel.

OASYS owners did not have the knowledge of knowing how they would be treated. Kronos buyers do get this benefit, because of the OASYS history which proves that as soon as Korg think of a way of making more money out of the Kronos, they will dump it and release Mk2.

Korg will however give a discount for future libraries as long as you buy the Mk2.

[michelkeijzers]

Of course it is hard that the Oasys was quite expensive compared to the Kronos, but at the buying time everyone interested in the Oasys had to decide for themselves if they want to invest the amount of money in it.

I think that's a little unfair Michel.

OASYS owners did not have the knowledge of knowing how they would be treated. Kronos buyers do get this benefit, because of the OASYS history which proves that as soon as Korg think of a way of making more money out of the Kronos, they will dump it and release Mk2.

Korg will however give a discount for future libraries as long as you buy the Mk2.

I didn't meant to be unfair. However, I thought some engines were available for Oasys for free so there is 'some' support.
And I don't expect to get a reduction or too many free things when I would buy a Kronos. Ok, the editor but that is announced and if there are major bugs those should be solved, maybe some small improvements OS-wise but the Kronos owners probably have to pay for new engines, sounds etc.

[cello]

Of course it is hard that the Oasys was quite expensive compared to the Kronos, but at the buying time everyone interested in the Oasys had to decide for themselves if they want to invest the amount of money in it.

I think that's a little unfair Michel.

OASYS owners did not have the knowledge of knowing how they would be treated. Kronos buyers do get this benefit, because of the OASYS history which proves that as soon as Korg think of a way of making more money out of the Kronos, they will dump it and release Mk2.

Korg will however give a discount for future libraries as long as you buy the Mk2.

I didn't meant to be unfair. However, I thought some engines were available for Oasys for free so there is 'some' support.
And I don't expect to get a reduction or too many free things when I would buy a Kronos. Ok, the editor but that is announced and if there are major bugs those should be solved, maybe some small improvements OS-wise but the Kronos owners probably have to pay for new engines, sounds etc.

Fair enough Michel - but need to correct you on one small point - the free engines were originally chargeable. For those of us who have OASYS with these bought engines, giving them away is pretty much useless gesture and further twists the knife into the original cost of ownership of a fully unlocked OASYS.

The last support item released for the OASYS was on November 29th, 2009, nearly 5 years after its release.

[michelkeijzers]

I think that's a little unfair Michel.

OASYS owners did not have the knowledge of knowing how they would be treated. Kronos buyers do get this benefit, because of the OASYS history which proves that as soon as Korg think of a way of making more money out of the Kronos, they will dump it and release Mk2.

Korg will however give a discount for future libraries as long as you buy the Mk2.

I didn't meant to be unfair. However, I thought some engines were available for Oasys for free so there is 'some' support.
And I don't expect to get a reduction or too many free things when I would buy a Kronos. Ok, the editor but that is announced and if there are major bugs those should be solved, maybe some small improvements OS-wise but the Kronos owners probably have to pay for new engines, sounds etc.

Fair enough Michel - but need to correct you on one small point - the free engines were originally chargeable. For those of us who have OASYS with these bought engines, giving them away is pretty much useless gesture and further twists the knife into the original cost of ownership of a fully unlocked OASYS.

The last support item released for the OASYS was on November 29th, 2009, nearly 5 years after its release.

Yes you are completely right about people who already have bought it. That must not feel fair (and in some way is not fair). Also the 'Open architecture' is not really that open at all (at least not for free).

I think I have to apologize for being so biased, since I made the choice not to buy an Oasys (I would never justify for myself a $7000 synth), but a lot of people can justify it and are not really treated as expected.

I guess no manufacturer can really be trusted by saying in the future everything will get better (for (almost) nothing). And maybe we will see the same for the Kronos in 5 years from now when a much better system will be on the market for less money.

[shawnhar]

I guess no manufacturer can really be trusted by saying in the future everything will get better (for (almost) nothing).

Roland VariOS, anyone?

I totally agree with this point. At least not unless they specify exactly what they mean by "future" (how long into the future?), "better" (how many upgrades will they release, and what will they be?"), not to mention details of the pricing scheme.

But no company is ever going to tie themselves down with that level of detail about future promises. Any plan that says "regardless of how well this does in the market, what our competitors do, what other plans we later come up with, how the economy does, etc, we promise that we will take your money now, then give you exactly all this list of free stuff later" is never going to get the approval of finance people or shareholders!

So as I customer, I conclude the only safe approach is to ignore any vague future hints, and just look at what is available for sure today.

And maybe we will see the same for the Kronos in 5 years from now when a much better system will be on the market for less money.

I'm sure we will see the same, most likely less than 5 years though. My money would be on 3 years for Kronos v2.

That doesn't change the fact that I love my Kronos today and am glad I bought it...