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If you read their website you can see for the OASYS libraries they are working off DAT tapes. Makes perfect sense. Record everything onto DAT during the sessions with the orchestra, and then in the digital domain back in the studio you can use the OASYS to sample the DAT mastered

Seems to me like a very logical way to work.

Who's to say that they didn't do the same for the KRONOS ?
OASYS inputs VS KRONOS makes no difference if they have used the same process and DAT recorders. Digital is Digital, simple as that.

Regards
Sharp

Fair enough Sharp - I'm not a techie so I accept what you say is completely resaonable and possible.

But my point is their texts which I directly compared.

I just don't think they need to use the same words for the OASYS and the Kronos - and say for both 'A year ago' with the Mannheim'.

They can't both be right!

And then add into the mix that as soon as they announced the Kronos library committment, Karo switched off online sales of the OASYS libraries.

And as you know yourself through ASSAULT, OASYS and Kronos versions can happily co-exist.

So why switch off that revenue stream? And if it is truly switch off, when then continue to have an OASYS section of the website saying what they are not longer trying to sell?

Just all seems a bit confusing.

Why Karo doesn't just remove the OASYS section from their website I don't know! Then no issues could be had. But I guess they have a reason for it - I'm too simple to work out what it might be though...

just found a little on the new librarys, austrian ,legendary strings and the new drums. Well i think the austrian piano sounds quite nice, the strings are okay i guess?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sQDi4StT1Q

Mercuryyyy wrote:just found a little on the new librarys, austrian ,legendary strings and the new drums. Well i think the austrian piano sounds quite nice, the strings are okay i guess?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sQDi4StT1Q

Have to be honest, but assuming legendary strings is based on Karo's KSL, then the video doesn't do them justice!

Despite earlier posts in this thread, although have said it before, the Karo string libraries are amazingly good. And there's so many of them! I find them a little bit dry however and add a little bit more O-verb than Karo have added as the default settings.

I don't regret the quite large amount of money I paid to get them.

Probably part of the licensing deal-and to prevent Kronos users from buying the older, likely cheaper oasis collection, this not feeling the need for the new one.

They have no way to make it not run on a Kronos. The inverse won't be true...enable disk streaming and the oasys won't be able to use the new one. Which means anyone with an oasys that hasn't already bought their product is SOL.

Sharp wrote:If you read their website you can see for the OASYS libraries they are working off DAT tapes. Makes perfect sense. Record everything onto DAT during the sessions with the orchestra, and then in the digital domain back in the studio you can use the OASYS to sample the DAT mastered

That makes more sense.

RC-IA wrote:I read they are the same, just that oasys has XLR format connection while kronos only jack

Actually, I'm referring to the lack of Phantom powered pres, like on the O. Sorry, if I stirred up any debate. The digital sampling Sharp describes makes it a moot point.

popmann wrote:I'm sorry, but why on EARTH would a sound designer use the mic preamps or conversion on the keyboard?

Millennia+Larvy should be the kind of gear used to capture orchestral samples.

They will likely be using the same session wavs-they can just be edited for the Kronos to include more velocity levels and potentially loading various articulations mapped to something like the vector stick. Not looping them...all the things that disk streaming makes possible. the only reason to have a new expensive session is if they were forward thinking in the first capture session.

EXACTLY what I was thinking. No matter how great the OASYS (Or any keyboard's) preamps are, they won't hold a candle to REAL pro audio gear made specifically for recording. I'm talking about preamps that cost Thousands PER CHANNEL. That's where I'd like MY samples coming from, and honestly the only way to truly do it right!

Well, that Japanese guy obviously has OS 1.5 loaded in since he plugs a NanoPad2 on the Kronos at the end of the demo, and in a pretty amateur way might i say? Hard to say about the quality of the libraries demonstrated since it's all YouTube stuff, but I'm pretty confident Korg will come out with something great... The program and Combi collections are another story( hard to believe that they put E.Pianos and guitar demos on the MOD-7/STR-1 bank as i thought by reading the text that they had come up with special sounds).

Blink

To me all three new streaming libraries sound very promising, as far as you can tell from a youtube demo.

- the Boesendorfer Imperial sounds like it could become the "cut through piano" we all have been waiting for, and very well useable for all vivid jazz and rock stuff.
- the strings should sound quite good in context, perhaps with the exception of some too harsh sounding violin sounds in the upper range
- the west coast drums sound clearly better to me than both existing Kronos drum libraries. But that might also be a matter of taste.

In sharp contrast to the first three libraries published so far (which sound VERY mediocre up to in part amateurish in my ears, and certainly not one bit better than any of our own free amateur user patches on Korpatches.com), these streaming libraries seem to succeed in offering something with a recognizeable concept in mind.

Jim you are spot on again. I listened to the you tube also...this is the kind of additional sounds that are useful. I liked all three, the piano and strings rocked--especially since I can't get them from Karo for my Oasys.
Bring on the new o.s. and these new exi's.

BTW Mercuryyyy, thanks for posting the video!

Mike, you have your Oasys loaded to the gills and it sounds great. I think with the new exis', I will be happy to have a little more variety in the string department on at least the Kronos.

I hope the yamaha cp80 will sound good and not like a toy just like the one they released for the M3.

I have to give cello some credit, he seems rather "alone" in all of this debate about "misrepresentation".

I'm inclined to agree with cello, and the simple question is:

WHY would Karo spend lots of man hours and money, on yet again to make something specific for the Kronos, if it already exists for the Oasys?

It would make much more sense to convert it from Oasys format to Kronos's format.

I'm also wondering about this because, Karo's releases for the Oasys were quite slow, but now all of a sudden, releases for the Kronos seem to occur rapidly.
Why is this? If not to just take work-already-done and do a simple conversion?

So I'd find the descriptions perhaps a little misleading, as it was already done on the Oasys.

One way to check all this, is to compare the samples and see if the data matches. If so, then you'd have a pretty good guess as to whether this is the case or not.

Personally, I find Karo libraries a little excessively priced for a bunch of samples.

And lets not forget Korgs own marketing strategy about the Kronos itself:

"all new technology blah blah"
when in fact it was already 5 year old technology at the time!

So it seems this style of re-using something and calling it something else entirely isn't only Karo specific.......

Hedegaard wrote:
WHY would Karo spend lots of man hours and money?

Personally, I find Karo libraries a little excessively priced for a bunch of samples.

You can't say this and tell the price is overpriced. If you have to rent an orchestra and take hours to sample it, take hours to edit the samples and program it on a keyboard, of course the price will be high.

It would make much more sense to convert it from Oasys format to Kronos's format.

kronos can read oasys files without any conversion...



Karo have done a lot for oasys and they have been working for a year now for kronos, we need this kind of company since manufacturers don't sell all kind of sound banks.

I agree with RC-IA on this one. Many keyboards loop their sounds so it doesnt sound as organic or natural as the instrument being sampled itself. And nine sound engines, many keyboards only use one (as the Kronos video points out) so this is extrodinary compared to other keyboards. With all you can do with the Kronos from what I've seen, its worth that price tag near 4k.