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Jordan Rudess uses a Kronos 88 Live!
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:40 am
by jeremykeys
This is kind of cool. Hope you all enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adDzyI2QEH4
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:45 am
by michelkeijzers
Thanks for sharing ... it's very good, first part from a sound programming point of view, second of playing technique.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:43 am
by gridpower
I am amazed that he can play those super fast sections on the RH3 keybed.
The RH3 seems so sluggish or my hands are just not up to the task..hahahah
I love my Kronos' 61 key action.

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:45 am
by jeremykeys
You're more than welcome. I'm a huge fan. I've met Jordan and he's a really nice guy. There is a whole show on You Tube from Live at the Iridium.
it's worth watching just to hear and see his playing. A lot of it is improvisation on both the piano and the Kronos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mAOyy-v ... D872FE6481
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:53 am
by jimknopf
His play looks just like a straightforward answer to all this silly talk about RH3, which I have seen in this forum.
I play a Kronos 73 and had no problems whatsoever with RH3 since day one of using it.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:00 am
by Bruce Lychee
jimknopf wrote:His play looks just like a straightforward answer to all this silly talk about RH3, which I have seen in this forum.
I play a Kronos 73 and had no problems whatsoever with RH3 since day one of using it.
That's ridiculuous. It's just Jordan Rudess using a good Kronos. It doesn't say anything about the problems that do exist for other users.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:09 am
by jimknopf
It's Jordan Rudess playing just a good Kronos as BY FAR most of us!
So yes, it's ridiculous to talk about the RH3 keybed as if it were a general problem playing it.
For me - like for Jordan and plenty of others - it is no problem at all.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:30 am
by Bruce Lychee
jimknopf wrote:It's Jordan Rudess playing just a good Kronos as BY FAR most of us!
So yes, it's ridiculous to talk about the RH3 keybed as if it were a general problem playing it.
For me - like for Jordan and plenty of others - it is no problem at all.
Jordan Rudess playing a Kronos has no relevance to the problems that do exist for certain users. Trying to use his video to belittle those who have problems seems a bit juvenile. Furthermore, making a generalization to criticize a generalization seems like a perfect example of ridiculous to me.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:48 am
by Zeroesque
I took jimknopf's comments to be about complaints that the RH3 itself is a poor keybed that doesn't lend itself well to proper performance, not about the isolated defective or damaged units.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:53 am
by Chrutil
>> His play looks just like a straightforward answer to all this silly talk about RH3 <<
Agreed.
It is clear that my Kronos is broken since I can't play like Jordan.

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:57 am
by Bruce Lychee
Zeroesque wrote:I took jimknopf's comments to be about complaints that the RH3 itself is a poor keybed that doesn't lend itself well to proper performance, not about the isolated defective or damaged units.
Perhaps. The RH3 is perfectly playable when functioning properly. It isn't my favorite, but I have no issues with its playability.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:27 am
by michelkeijzers
Chrutil wrote:>> His play looks just like a straightforward answer to all this silly talk about RH3 <<
Agreed.
It is clear that my Kronos is broken since I can't play like Jordan.

Lol, yes same here ... or is it because I bought only a 61 iso 88? I would also be satisfied if I only can play half as good

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:33 am
by jimknopf
Zeroesque is completely right.
That was exactly what I wrote, for anybody with eyes to read. But meanhwile people don't even read and answer what is written, but answer what they wanted to say anyway.
I have seen so much generalizing nonsense about the Kronos RH3 keybed, when people in this forum claimed that it is generally not playable and not up to any standards, that I DO regard a video like that as simple and obvious refutation of such silly claims. Just get over it. Nobody could play that well and that fast on a weighted keybed, if it's action was generally too sloppy to allow that. Simple as that.
It has really become a bad habit in this forum, that the well grounded claims of people with keybed issues - which I do support and which are definitely too many - have been and are again and again misused for generalizing statements about Kronos keybed or build quality, which are blown out of any reasonable proportion.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:34 pm
by jeremykeys
I guess I'm just lucky in that I really like the feel of my Kronos 73. I can and do play vary when I want to and have no trouble at all with the keybed. I am also sad for those who got stuck with a bad one. That truly sucks. I do however have to wonder just how many RH3 equipped kronos' have been shipped and how many aren't built right. It is, sadly, to be expected that a few dogs get out and even one is too many.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:09 pm
by Bruce Lychee
jimknopf wrote:Zeroesque is completely right.
That was exactly what I wrote, for anybody with eyes to read. But meanhwile people don't even read and answer what is written, but answer what they wanted to say anyway.
I have seen so much generalizing nonsense about the Kronos RH3 keybed, when people in this forum claimed that it is generally not playable and not up to any standards, that I DO regard a video like that as simple and obvious refutation of such silly claims. Just get over it. Nobody could play that well and that fast on a weighted keybed, if it's action was generally too sloppy to allow that. Simple as that.
It has really become a bad habit in this forum, that the well grounded claims of people with keybed issues - which I do support and which are definitely too many - have been and are again and again misused for generalizing statements about Kronos keybed or build quality, which are blown out of any reasonable proportion.
I read what was written. I just didn't give you the benefit of the doubt as Zeroesque did. Your statement was general and given your post pattern, much like those who generalize about the problems with the RH3, I figured you were just up to your same old complaining.
The RH3 is completely playable when functioning properly... As is virtually every modern day synth or DP keybed. I don't think it should be any surprise that he can use it skillfully.