saving style edits

[rikkisbears]

Hi Jimmy,
i think may Cubase just does things differently & you're going to have to try & work it out.
I had it back in the 90's, but never upgraded it to work with even XP.
Too complex for what I needed. Only thing I use sequencers for is style editing/converting.

Is there a dedicated Control Track? or Master Track? something along those lines. Your program changes must be listed somewhere.

My point precisely, they're possibly reverting because you've got 2 sets of program changes happenning at the same time. Just delete the empty tracks before you record stuff onto them as you've been doing, until such time as you work out how to delete the wrong program changes.

Hi Rikki


One other annoyance I had was - lets say in your midi from Korg, there's already some abc sounds set for 1- 8 tracks. When load into Cubase and you try to change them to your own sound, still they revert to the original ones when you start playing/recording from beginning. I had to "delete" those tracks and then start assigning sounds. not sure if this is the way it should be. In your sequencer do you have to do that as well? (I remember in Sonar I didnt had to).

Well I managed to get my song completed today, so am quite relieved! Going to sleep now

[Jimmy3]

Hi Rikki

Too complex for what I needed

- I fully agree to this statement. Cubase doesnt seem easy at all to work with, starting from installation, registration.. and then using it. Sonar at the outset appears much simpler and easy to handle.

But then why I chose to stick with it is the kind of features it offers. Audio mixing and editing are much superior than other tools I heard. Moreover Steinberg has various other products in its portfolio which can be later integrated. There's a saying - "once you know something it becomes easier" . So I am going more and more deep as I use it, lets see...

I'll check with the master track you mentioned. Which tool are you using presently?

[rikkisbears]

Hi Jimmy,
I'm only a hobbyist. My hobby is styles, converting,editing etc.
I mainly use a really old sequencer called XG Works, created for Yamaha.
I use it for converting my Yammie styles to Korg from a midifile.

The other one I use is PG's Real Band sequencer. Part & parcel of Band in a Box software. Allows further editing of songs created in Band in a Box.
If I ever get into sequencing, would also allow me to add additional style tracks ( using Band in a Box style parts) to midifiles or songs created in PA3x. I could also replace midi tracks with audio tracks from BIAB if I found suitable ones ie drums, guitar , bass.

Hi Rikki

Too complex for what I needed

- I fully agree to this statement. Cubase doesnt seem easy at all to work with, starting from installation, registration.. and then using it. Sonar at the outset appears much simpler and easy to handle.

But then why I chose to stick with it is the kind of features it offers. Audio mixing and editing are much superior than other tools I heard. Moreover Steinberg has various other products in its portfolio which can be later integrated. There's a saying - "once you know something it becomes easier" . So I am going more and more deep as I use it, lets see...

I'll check with the master track you mentioned. Which tool are you using presently?

[Jimmy3]

HI Rikki

Finally I maanaged to see the program changes and control changes. There's something called the "List Editor" which had to be enabled so as to view them. So now I think I have things gradually under my control . As good as it gets!

I created some style in Pa500 itself, but then wanted to do it externally as well, so it was my next task. Good you mentioned it, I have a qs right away for you:
Now one way to do it is ... import a midi which has the style pattern into Var-CV1, Var2-CV2,Fills, intros individually. Is this what you do, or there's a better way? I was trying this, some of them gets loaded correctly.. others dont (again needs investigation!).

Secondly... I was wondering if we can record the styles(or part of it) in ext sequencer directly, just like we record a song. I saw some midi settings like your channel 1 - 16 comprises of "Upper", "Lower", Drums, Bass, Pads etc, instead of the normal Seq tracks. Have you tried out this way?

[rikkisbears]

Hi Jimmy,
apparently in PA500, you have to import /export style parts (cv's) individually.
My PA800/PA3X you can import/export a complete style as a midifile, but not in the PA500, you have to import /export individual cv's.

If you want to record your style in a sequencer, make sure you've got your channels correct ( I gather you know what they are?)
Save your midifile as midifile 0 & IMPORT it into a style part.

Some of the old posts between Sam ( assyrianpianist ) & myself, may be of interest

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ght=styles

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ght=styles

Might be handy to use the "search" function & check out some old posts.

HI Rikki

I created some style in Pa500 itself, but then wanted to do it externally as well, so it was my next task. Good you mentioned it, I have a qs right away for you:
Now one way to do it is ... import a midi which has the style pattern into Var-CV1, Var2-CV2,Fills, intros individually. Is this what you do, or there's a better way? I was trying this, some of them gets loaded correctly.. others dont (again needs investigation!).

Secondly... I was wondering if we can record the styles(or part of it) in ext sequencer directly, just like we record a song. I saw some midi settings like your channel 1 - 16 comprises of "Upper", "Lower", Drums, Bass, Pads etc, instead of the normal Seq tracks. Have you tried out this way?

[Jimmy3]

Thanks a lot Rikki for the update, guess what, I was exploring all morning the import midi to the style tracks (individual Variations) before seeing your reply . So that part I am versed with now. Thanks to the Korg user manual which mentioned that only midi's with format '0' can be imported, and thanks to Cubase it has the option of "export in format 0". So I figured that out. My question was more towards is this the best (or the only) way. So now I know with Pa500 it is! And I stick to the defaults, namely
Drum = track 10
Perc = Track 11
BAss = track 9
Accs - track 12-16.

So these imports worked for me fine.

But also thanks for sharing the first link, over there I found the exact problem people I am still struggling with: My song is recorded in Am. So before I import the midi into the style track of Pa I changed all the bass and Acc tracks from C Major to A minor in the Korg style recording. I thought it'll get mapped. But then as soon as I import I see that the tracks are back to Cm, and playing the chord of the original sound track, which is totally wrong! Is there a way to amend this, best would be instruct the Korg that I am going to give you an Am instead of Cm.

My drum tracks also changed notes I saw, but then when I removed the USB cable seems that the Korg imported it well. I am continuing my research on the transition of Am to C major notes. Any tips would definitely be useful! Waiting....

[rikkisbears]

Hi Jimmy,
you don't have change from amin to cmaj. You just import as is, & change the key & chord type from default cmaj to amin for each of the tracks on the main style record page.
You can record your style in any key, just have to make sure the settings match your key.
If doing from scratch, it's just easier in C.

I can go into a bit more detail tomorrow.

So these imports worked for me fine.

But also thanks for sharing the first link, over there I found the exact problem people I am still struggling with: My song is recorded in Am. So before I import the midi into the style track of Pa I changed all the bass and Acc tracks from C Major to A minor in the Korg style recording. I thought it'll get mapped. But then as soon as I import I see that the tracks are back to Cm, and playing the chord of the original sound track, which is totally wrong! Is there a way to amend this, best would be instruct the Korg that I am going to give you an Am instead of Cm.

My drum tracks also changed notes I saw, but then when I removed the USB cable seems that the Korg imported it well. I am continuing my research on the transition of Am to C major notes. Any tips would definitely be useful! Waiting....

[Jimmy3]

Hey Rikki... just before you retire I wish you see this message. It worked!! . Yeah I changed the chords "after" I imported, and also turned off the NTT transpose for those tracks (just may be the NTT is the reason). And now I have the track as it should be. Oh I am loving it!!!!

Thanks for all your support... people like you actually make this forums a succes, and lives of beginners like me bit easier .

I'll come back again with may be little bit more mature qs for you . Good night!