Korg Forums

I think there ought to be a way to save more edits just with a trip to the dropdown list.
Am I missing something or do you have to go to RECORD (style) to save a change to tempo, and mute an annoying baseline and some other accompanimentt track?

Thats too much button pushing I think. I think you ouht to be able to tweak your style and hit a one button save.
As it is single touch setting only saves your upper tracks right.
please tell me I'm wrong.

this is pretty basic for someone who has owned one of these as long as I have. my third one actually. I have two currently . big one and a little one.
ok thanks anyway.
paul

Hi Paul,
to change the tempo, just change it on the style play page , dropdown menu, save as Current style performance.
You could also mute an instrument as per above, but remember if you "Mute" it affects the whole style , not just a single variation , fill etc

You can also change your style instruments , but remember again it affects the whole style, so provided the style doesn't have any instrument changes ie they're uniform throughout the style, it's a great way to alter the styles sounds . You can go back to the original struments, by "checking/tickiing" the box in the top r/h corner of the style play screen.

[quote="paulmpianist"]I think there ought to be a way to save more edits just with a trip to the dropdown list.
Am I missing something or do you have to go to RECORD (style) to save a change to tempo, and mute an annoying baseline and some other accompanimentt track?

obviously if I had a band it would be called paul and the pre-sets. It used to be called FREE DRINKS and I packed the place in but they all got mad after two songs.

I don't know what the problem was.. they were really good songs.

well anyway.. thanks for the reply... I really have to play with these styles some more. I'm a pretty good button pusher, but i do minimal tweaks and on some of them there are obnoxious ACC tracks. I really wish I was better at recording individual style tracks and fills and stuff.
thanks again,
paul

Hi Paul,
do you use a PC sequencer at all?
Exporting a style that you don't like some of the tracks in, you could do some simple edits in the sequencer then import it back in. Sometimes easier than doing stuff onboard.

paulmpianist wrote:
well anyway.. thanks for the reply... I really have to play with these styles some more. I'm a pretty good button pusher, but i do minimal tweaks and on some of them there are obnoxious ACC tracks. I really wish I was better at recording individual style tracks and fills and stuff.
thanks again,
paul

I have Sonar that has midi tracks. I also did a lot of composing (acutally mostly with a pencil) and scoring/publishing with Finale which I'm pretty good at. I gave it a short try, but I never got the fluency with the major sequencing. Actually i did some stuff I really liked when I had a hand injury for some months. Its hard to have the patience with sequencing when your hands are good. I am really good at winging it improv style and i don't mean jazz.
But thanks. I should try to export those styles to midi and get some momentum on it. I'm trying now to do just that.
thanks again,
paul

[quote="rikkisbears"]Hi Paul,
to change the tempo, just change it on the style play page , dropdown menu, save as Current style performance.
You could also mute an instrument as per above, but remember if you "Mute" it affects the whole style , not just a single variation , fill etc

You can also change your style instruments , but remember again it affects the whole style, so provided the style doesn't have any instrument changes ie they're uniform throughout the style, it's a great way to alter the styles sounds . You can go back to the original struments, by "checking/tickiing" the box in the top r/h corner of the style play screen.

Hi Rikki,

I am not experienced in this style performance mode. If I edit a style, let's say muting the accompaniment tracks leaving just bass and drums, I understand that it affects all the style variations, but where is it saved? does it overwrite the preset style and so I cannot go back to the original? or it creates a new style that I can save in a user bank? or a style performance is somenthing different fron the style, in this case how can I recall it?

Thanks, Simone (btw in italian my name is the masculine form of the name, so I'm a man )

Hi Simon

To be honest, a far easier method if all you want to do is mute out parts and do minor volume edits/ change sounds...is to first go to MEDIA-Preferences and disable the Factory Style Protect tab.

Then from the main style page go to the parts section, and mute the parts you want muted, or change the instruments you want changed etc etc...the go to the top right hand corner where there is a little drop down box arrow.

Select this and then select Save Current Style performance..this will then overwrite the style in the factory location. Or indeed, you CAN now place this style ANYWHERE you like!!!

The beauty of this system is it does NOT delete any data from the original style, as it is only muted. And even the original sound data is saved and can be restored by simply re-checking the "original sound" box!!!

The ONLY thing to be aware of is that if you DO move a style, any songs, or setups that refer to that style will also need to be edited.

Of course you can also save the edited style to a user style bank location too!!

Dennis

Thanks Dennis, this is very clear. I'll try soon. I suppose that in this quick way I can also alter the tempo.

You all are always so good with wise suggestions and tricks.

Simone

Hi Simone,
thanks for that. Didn't realize.

I get the opposite, a lot of people assume I'm a male, but I'm actually a female. haahaa

simondrake wrote:
Hi Rikki,
Thanks, Simone (btw in italian my name is the masculine form of the name, so I'm a man )

Hi Paul

Quick saving a style : shift + current/activ style-button
Quick saving an STS: shift + sts-button
Quick saving a performance : shift + current/activ perf-button

you may also push an other sts or perf-button.

Hi Rikki

Exporting a style that you don't like some of the tracks in, you could do some simple edits in the sequencer then import it back in. Sometimes easier than doing stuff onboard.

Thats exactly what I am trying to achive. I created a song (only the base beats in the first place) by creating a style. Then recorded it in sequencer with backing sequence (quick record). Then saved the midi in the sd card.

But when I import it in Cubase, and assign the tracks to the corresponding channels, all the sounds get distorted, I see that some tracks are forced into some sounds I never assigned!

Could you help me on this? I left the sound bank "off" so it should select the default sound as the track in the korg sequencer, am I correct?

I explained my problem in this topic:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... t+problems

Thanks in advance.

Hi Jimmy,
I was actually refferring to style editing in a sequencer not sequencing songs. I don't do a lot of sequencing.
but , ok, so you've created a style & I gather it's working perfectly.
You've then recorded your backing track & saved it. Does it actually play correctly if you load it in Song Play mode or in Multitrack Mode in the PA500 itself?

I'm not actually a Cubase user, I use XG Works or sometimes PG's Real Band/Power Tracks which are really basic sequencers.

Personally if I was having problems with sounds I'd do an event list edit & make sure there's no conflicting Bank & Program changes imbedded in the tracks ie more than one at beginning of track.

I don't understand what you mean about assigning the tracks to channels,
ie my sequencers, when I load in a midifile the tracks get assigned automatically to midi channels 9 to 16 for the style parts & the program & bank changes are imbedded in the tracks.

Normally think I would have the sequence send out the Bank & Program changes to the Korg, I wouldn't pick the sounds in the korg if I was using it as a soundmodule.

Silly question, but what exactly are you trying to achieve ie is there a reason why you're using an external sequencer rather than the Korg's multitrack sequencer ie are you incorporating audio tracks in your songs.
Might be an easier way of doing something if I understood what you're trying to acheive.

Jimmy3 wrote:
But when I import it in Cubase, and assign the tracks to the corresponding channels, all the sounds get distorted, I see that some tracks are forced into some sounds I never assigned!

Could you help me on this? I left the sound bank "off" so it should select the default sound as the track in the korg sequencer, am I correct?

I explained my problem in this topic:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... t+problems

Thanks in advance.

Hi Rikki,

Thanks for your reply, and sorry for little late reply. First of all I'll answer your "silly qs", because its very apt and not at all silly . I made the style just to preserve it in the style banks so that I can use it in some performances as well.

Now consider just any style in Pa500, so think it like this that I am using it to create a song in midi. As simple as that! So I first record my base track using backing record sequence. And then I want to fill in with lead music, preludes, interludes, ends etc etc. And this part (filling) I was willing to do in Cubase. Also importing the midi in Cubase allows me to normalize the small errors in notes change one beat with another etc.

The problem was arising when I imported the midi. Now it used to work perfectly fine with Sonar, so I kept wondering whats wrong with Cubase integration. Finally I studied lots of things in cubase last couple of days, and managed to get it work. The fact is, first you have to choose the midi in Korg's sequencer, then start/import the midi. Else it may choose some random sound for a track and you cant get it changed. Secondly the transition of program changes are very tricky, it took me lot of time to get through it (and still I am little bit in dark). Thirdly all the midi tracks forms 17 - 32 track numbers, so I actually cut it and paste it in the 1 - 16 track of my project.

There are lots of learning curve in this, so might be some time before I am well versed with Cubase integration. So for now I think I achived what I wanted.. and the midi editing worked pretty fine. Now my next step would be export this from cubase and import in Korg.. just lets hope the sounds doesnt get jumbled up again .

And yes. .the channel number gets assigned automatically, what I meant is to select the input/output of the track correctly.
Now qs for you:

Personally if I was having problems with sounds I'd do an event list edit & make sure there's no conflicting Bank & Program changes imbedded in the tracks ie more than one at beginning of track.

How do you exactly do that, I was just trying to figure out this. Since I had style / variation changes in my song.. I wanted to see this in Cubase somewhere. This qs might be a silly one.. but I am quite new to this, so pls enlighten me .

Hi Jimmy,
when you cut & pasted your tracks from 17-32 , to 1-16, did you make sure that you matched up the midi channels correctly. ie that you used midi channel 9 bass
10 drums
11 percussion
12-16 instrument tracks

and only used channels 1-8 for your own tracks?

This may or may not have affected your midi playback depending on how cubase handled it. ie
just say you had the instruments you wanted set up in the korg sequencer & you've disabled the sending of Program & Bank changes in Cubase, IF you've inadvertantly mixed up your midi channels when you changed the tracks around, wrong instruments could be playing.

It's midi channels that matter, not tracks.

My old XG Works sequencer has something like 48 tracks ( might have more, never bothered to count)
If I load in a korg backing track midifile. Automatically loads to tracks
9-16 which is midi channels 9-16.
I could move these tracks to Track 17 -25, wouldn't matter, PROVIDED I made sure track 17 = midi channel 9, track 18= midi channel 10
track19=midi channel 11 etc
If it was me that's how I would set up my song. Keep midi channels 9 -16 for my style tracks. 1-8 for any additional tracks.

In Cubase, unfortunately I don't have a clue.
My XG Works Controller 0, Controller 32, ( Bank Changes) & Program Change are all listed under Event List Edit. Means I can just scroll down the track & see if there are any changes to sound.
in PT Power Tracks the initial Program & Bank changes are in a little box on main page next to the track, any additional ones is as per above listed inside the tracks.
In the Factory Data of your manual you'll find the numbers you'll need for specific instruments
ie for my PA3X if I wanted Classic Piano
Controller Change 00
121
Controller Change 32
4
Program Change 0

the above will bring up that sound.

Jimmy3 wrote:Hi Rikki,

Thirdly all the midi tracks forms 17 - 32 track numbers, so I actually cut it and paste it in the 1 - 16 track of my project.

There are lots of learning curve in this, so might be some time before I am well versed with Cubase integration. So for now I think I achived what I wanted.. and the midi editing worked pretty fine. Now my next step would be export this from cubase and import in Korg.. just lets hope the sounds doesnt get jumbled up again .

Now qs for you:

Personally if I was having problems with sounds I'd do an event list edit & make sure there's no conflicting Bank & Program changes imbedded in the tracks ie more than one at beginning of track.

How do you exactly do that, I was just trying to figure out this. Since I had style / variation changes in my song.. I wanted to see this in Cubase somewhere. This qs might be a silly one.. but I am quite new to this, so pls enlighten me .

Hi Rikki

As for your qs:

when you cut & pasted your tracks from 17-32 , to 1-16, did you make sure that you matched up the midi channels correctly. ie that you used midi channel 9 bass
10 drums
11 percussion
12-16 instrument tracks

and only used channels 1-8 for your own tracks?

Yes, thats exactly what I have done. In fact when you record your style play in sequencer... then it assigns 9-16 for the style, leaving 1 - 8 for your own melodies. Korg intelligently sets it that way (The difference in Sonar is when you load midi file, then it loads it into 1 - 16. But I guess it doesnt matter, as long as you get your tracks right).

Inside the Korg sequencer, when I look into the track (any among 9-16), I could see the sounds - melody or the drum kit, changing itself as and when its supposed to (particularly with style change). I just was trying to look for this transition in Cubase. I'm sure this control changes are listed somewhere.. only thing I am not able to see it. But this is more a Cubase qs rather than Korg one, so I'll look further.

One other annoyance I had was - lets say in your midi from Korg, there's already some abc sounds set for 1- 8 tracks. When load into Cubase and you try to change them to your own sound, still they revert to the original ones when you start playing/recording from beginning. I had to "delete" those tracks and then start assigning sounds. not sure if this is the way it should be. In your sequencer do you have to do that as well? (I remember in Sonar I didnt had to).

Well I managed to get my song completed today, so am quite relieved! Going to sleep now