KRONOS and Korg padKontrol - FUN!

[jamsire]

Jamsire,

In the video when you played back the track (which was recorded with karma midi) what you should do is turn the karma switch off or local control off on kronos, that is why you were getting all the double notes.

Also thank you for doing the work, this should help Yuma out.
Unfortunately I'm using a nanopad, USB.
You have a lot more options with Padkontrol..

Thanks Lou - yeah, I know about the double notes thing, I just wanted to show the recording - and I got all caught up with my happiness.

Check this out - a bit pricey, but would solve your nanopad2 issue:
http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/ ... host.shtml

Thanks!

[Lou]

Thanks Jamsire, very cool little device. I try very hard to keep my studio as lean and mean as I can so I pass up all of these little devices. I have enough sitting here to produce as I wish. If there's something I can't do and I absolutely must purchase more gear then I do, but for now I'm rolling just fine… Kronos, Omnisphere and an assortment of plugs is all I need.

[Yuma]

DONE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... jnyI_mM27k

I remain!

I have only one correct smiley for this:

Your video clearly shows that what I want, won't work over USB. Great to see that it all will work when using MIDI-cables!
I'll be off to get some standard MIDI-cables, a MIDI interface and a 9V adapter next week (a bit weird that there's no adapter included with the PadKONTROL).
So if I am correct the following setup should work (long live microsoft paint, lol):



In this setup, I would use the USB-connection from Kronos to my PC for the audio handling.

Cheers and BIG THANKS!

Yuma

[Lou]

Yuma,

Just to be clear..

1- Did you miss my workaround on page 3 of this thread?

2- If you choose to go this route, (Midi cables) save yourself a couple of bucks and watch Jamsire's vid again.
Being you are using the PadKontrol you don't need the Midi to USB box.. just a midi interface.

Personally, and this is only my opinion, I think you are over shooting to get to what you want. (Midi notation from the pads, See page 3 Workaround)
In your DAW you may get confused with midi assignments and routing of the PadKontrol, the actual Korg Pads and Kronos, not to mention any extra gear going into the midi interface.

I'm only trying to be helpful, so please don't take my suggestion/opinion wrong.
Everyone works differently and I respect that, but I've been where you are going, a lot of the time "Less is More".. Good luck.

[jamsire]

Yuma,

Just to be clear..

1- Did you miss my workaround on page 3 of this thread?

2- If you choose to go this route, (Midi cables) save yourself a couple of bucks and watch Jamsire's vid again.
Being you are using the PadKontrol you don't need the Midi to USB box.. just a midi interface.

Personally, and this is only my opinion, I think you are over shooting to get to what you want. (Midi notation from the pads, See page 3 Workaround)
In your DAW you may get confused with midi assignments and routing of the PadKontrol, the actual Korg Pads and Kronos, not to mention any extra gear going into the midi interface.

I'm only trying to be helpful, so please don't take my suggestion/opinion wrong.
Everyone works differently and I respect that, but I've been where you are going, a lot of the time "Less is More".. Good luck.

I completely get your method Lou.

But there is no confusing of midi assignments here (I think you gotta give Yume some credit here). When he wants to record midi data - in one pass, on all of the pads on the padKontrol, the way I detailed is the best way. There's no going back, record this, mute that, change this. There is never a need to record audio. In fact, the Drum track can't even be recorded as midi any other way. When he simply switches to the Scene on the padKontrol that handles Drums - he has drums. Plus, when he wants to do the virtual pads on padKontrol, he just puts in the USB cable and he's off and running. Sometimes less is less. The padKontrol via USB into the Kronos was only letting you use the 16 pads.

The way I detailed provides full access to all pads on the padKontrol. The way the padKontrol works over USB - for the meantime is very limiting and requires a "workaround." My method just works.

Yuma, make sure you bring your padKontrol with you when you purchase a 9V adapter. I think the 1-Spot adapter should work fine. The other good thing about a midi merge is being able to use any midi device to trigger the Kronos - like a drum controller. I only suggested a midi merge box in case you had something already plugged into the midi in port in the Kronos.

Make a video - and thanks again for the challenge.

[Yuma]

Hi Lou and Ernie,

@Lou: I must have missed your post on the previous page of this thread.
I do understand your work-around, but I think it's impractical for me.
The only moments I use audio in my work flow is:
a) as samples in a song (for example lyrics)
b) as the final audio track that records the sound output of all processed MIDI channels.

The MIDI to USB box is basically an example of an external MIDI interface.
I could go for an internal (PCI-card) interface as well, but my PC is rather crowded inside.
So I figured an external interface is the solution.

@Ernie: if I am correct then I will need a MIDI merge device, as shown in my diagram above.
There's one cable coming from MIDI OUT of the PadKONTROL to MIDI IN on the Kronos and
one cable coming from MIDI OUT of the MIDI interface to the MIDI IN on the Kronos.
Unless I'm overlooking something of course.

If either of you can confirm that the diagram I posted will work, I'd be a happy man.

[jamsire]

Hi Lou and Ernie,

@Lou: I missed your post on the previous page of this thread. I do understand your work-around, but I think it's impractical for me.
The only moments I use audio in my work flow is:
a) as samples in a song (for example lyrics)
b) as the final audio track that records the sound output of all processed MIDI channels.

@Ernie: if I am correct then I will need a MIDI merge device, as shown in my diagram above.
There's one cable coming from MIDI OUT of the PadKONTROL to MIDI IN on the Kronos and one cable coming from MIDI OUT of the MIDI interface to the MIDI IN on the Kronos.
Unless I'm overlooking something of course.

If either of you can confirm that the diagram I posted will work, I'd be a happy man.

Hi Yuma.

The midi merge device is ONLY if you have two midi devices triggering the Kronos.

The midi playback from Cubase is handles by the USB cable between thw Kronos and your computer. You don't need to come back into the Kronos from the midi interface,

That is all!

Make a video.

[Lou]

@Lou: I must have missed your post on the previous page of this thread.
I do understand your work-around, but I think it's impractical for me.

Actually it's not my way of working either. I just did a little experiment before posting.
All the best moving forward.

[Yuma]

The midi merge device is ONLY if you have two midi devices triggering the Kronos.

The midi playback from Cubase is handles by the USB cable between thw Kronos and your computer. You don't need to come back into the Kronos from the midi interface.

So this setup should suffice:

Actually it's not my way of working either. I just did a little experiment before posting.
All the best moving forward.

Thanks Lou.

[Lou]

I completely get your method Lou.

In fact, the Drum track can't even be recorded as midi any other way.

Sorry Jamsire, this is not true..

I record the Kronos Drum Track midi notation via USB during every session in both Program and Combi mode.

The Drum Track outputs and is recordable on channel 10 as you know.
So in Program mode if you setup channel 1 and 10 in your DAW you will record your Program and the Drum track midi notation.

In Combi mode the Drum track (Channel 10) does not send midi notation because it is set to "INT".

So what I do in Timbre Parameter Page is set track 11 to channel 10 "EXT" (Which is silent) This sends the Drum Track midi notation out to your DAW while you are monitoring track 10.
(Track 10 and 11 set to channel 10, "INT" for monitoring and "EXT" for getting the midi notation to the DAW.
Very simple and works well.

[jamsire]

I completely get your method Lou.

In fact, the Drum track can't even be recorded as midi any other way.

Sorry Jamsire, this is not true..

I record the Kronos Drum Track midi notation via USB during every session in both Program and Combi mode.

The Drum Track outputs and is recordable on channel 10 as you know.
So in Program mode if you setup channel 1 and 10 in your DAW you will record your Program and the Drum track midi notation.

In Combi mode the Drum track (Channel 10) does not send midi notation because it is set to "INT".

So what I do in Timbre Parameter Page is set track 11 to channel 10 "EXT" (Which is silent) This sends the Drum Track midi notation out to your DAW while you are monitoring track 10.
(Track 10 and 11 set to channel 10, "INT" for monitoring and "EXT" for getting the midi notation to the DAW.
Very simple and works well.

Lou - I know that. But what I meant and what was strictly talking about was the padKontrol - not any other method.

[Lou]

Okay Ernie, thanks, sorry I misunderstood.

[jamsire]

The midi merge device is ONLY if you have two midi devices triggering the Kronos.

The midi playback from Cubase is handles by the USB cable between thw Kronos and your computer. You don't need to come back into the Kronos from the midi interface.

So this setup should suffice:

Actually it's not my way of working either. I just did a little experiment before posting.
All the best moving forward.

Thanks Lou.

All I'm saying is MAKE A VIDEO!!!

I also wanted to say that one of the other reasons I use a midi merge setup is because of my guitar synth, which is old school midi out, not like the current USB ones out now.

[Yuma]

All I'm saying is MAKE A VIDEO!!!

I will need to buy a camcorder first then (which is something I'm going to do in a few months from now).