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Frankenstein!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:59 am
by firstlovedan
Can anyone help me out with the arppegiated lead settings on Edgar Winter's 'Frankenstein'? I need to emulate that lead right after the drum solo. This one is kicking my butt! Thanks for any input.
Firstlovedan

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:29 am
by ccmacdon
Firstlovedan,

I would be very interested in this as well.. My band plays Frankenstein on a regular basis.. (nice to hear someone else is playing this as well..)! It's a pretty hard tune for the average rock band to pull off.

If you're interested in hearing my band play this.. you can listen on this link.. Not a great recording, with weird compressed video and quite a few clams, but it is what it is.. whenever we play this the audience loves it.. here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAEnLkul ... ature=plcp

If you check this out you'll see that I'm using a Roland Gaia for this tune.. and I got the patch for the Roland Gaia from Sweetwater along with about 30 other GREAT classic rock patches for the Gaia...

When I got my Kronos, I wasn't sure how I was going to recreate this sound using the Kronos, and I'm really not much of a synth programmer these days, so what I did was sample the Gaia patch and I've simply loaded it into the Kronos as a wave file and it plays out while I simply hold one note.

If someone can come up with a Kronos patch for this, I would VERY much appreciate it.. In the mean time, if you're stuck contact me off-line and perhaps I can send you the wave file that you can load into the Kronos and create a program using it.

Hope this helps, give the video a listen if you want to here the GAIA patch.

Craig

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:03 pm
by DennyC
Nice sounding group and keys. Kudos.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:12 pm
by ccmacdon
Thanks Denny!!!

FYI, in most of the videos my gig rig was a Nord C2, Roland Sonic Cell, and my Roland Gaia. This rig has been replaced with my Crumar Mojo and Kronos 61..

My first gig with my new rig is this Saturday and Sunday so we'll see how it sounds.. clearly the Kronos is a dramatic improvement over the Sonic Cell and Gaia combination, hopefully my new Crumar Mojo organ will prove a slight improvement as well (although the C2 certainly sounded great too).

Thanks Craig

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:27 pm
by jeebustrain
I haven't made the attempt on the Kronos, but last year I helped a friend program all the sounds from that song on the Arturia ARP 2600 VST for his band. I might be able to grab the file from him.

I haven't tried to recreate any ARP type sounds on AL-1, but it seems more than capable (at least for a reasonable facsimile).

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:32 pm
by firstlovedan
Thank you! I will keep plugging away as well. This is extremely important to me and I want to get it right. In the past, I just played the arpp. by hand. It got us through but, it wasn't quite right. ccmacdon, I am interested in your file. This would at least be a work around until....
Thanks again,
Firstlovedan@adelphia.net

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:53 pm
by firstlovedan
BTW... Awesome video. Just watched. The actual part I need are the arppegios right after the drum solo. You actually played it, but you had a arrp. Programmed. It is the chromatic scale. Now, the sound effect that sounds like falling tones,...I have that sound in my motif. So, are you using an up/down arpp just using octaves? That's what I want my kronos to do. Anyway, your band is tight my friend! Brought a smile to my face!
Firstlovedan

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:04 pm
by neomad
jeebustrain wrote:I haven't made the attempt on the Kronos, but last year I helped a friend program all the sounds from that song on the Arturia ARP 2600 VST for his band. I might be able to grab the file from him.

I haven't tried to recreate any ARP type sounds on AL-1, but it seems more than capable (at least for a reasonable facsimile).
Hi Jee, nice to see you here and happy you keep your Fusion 8HD too ;).
AL-1 is incredible versatile (and complex, indeed) and can create any type of sound, for sure. Regards ;) Neo

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:04 pm
by jeebustrain
neomad wrote:
jeebustrain wrote:I haven't made the attempt on the Kronos, but last year I helped a friend program all the sounds from that song on the Arturia ARP 2600 VST for his band. I might be able to grab the file from him.

I haven't tried to recreate any ARP type sounds on AL-1, but it seems more than capable (at least for a reasonable facsimile).
Hi Jee, nice to see you here and happy you keep your Fusion 8HD too ;).
AL-1 is incredible versatile (and complex, indeed) and can create any type of sound, for sure. Regards ;) Neo
Hey dude, nice to see you here. Yea, I don't think I'll ever dump the Fusion. Although it doesn't get a whole lot of use these days, I still find myself coming back to it every once in a while.

AL-1 is a beast and I'm still trying to learn things about it.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:35 pm
by Hexfix93
al1 is great at leads, strings, pads, bells, noises. SUCKS AT BASS.

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:32 am
by neomad
Hey dude, nice to see you here. Yea, I don't think I'll ever dump the Fusion. Although it doesn't get a whole lot of use these days, I still find myself coming back to it every once in a while.
The same my friend, we keep in touch ! ;)
al1 is great at leads, strings, pads, bells, noises. SUCKS AT BASS.
IMHO, I do not believe that. It depends on our programming skills, and you can always add a second oscilator to use as sub-osc. However, is a quite complex synth sometimes, indeed.

Cheers,
Matt

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:04 pm
by levioter
:D Hexfix93 is here again with the "Kronos is not good at Bass" !!! :3drofl:

Same comment than the previous posts:

Give us what are you calling "Good" bass on another synth.

To keep the track on this interresting topic:
I ma also interrested in this lead patch.

Thanks.

Cheers

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:34 pm
by gnbutt
Wow, great work on Green Eyed Lady too, one of my favourites, I used to own a B3 Hammond and Leslie 122, you have replicated the voices on the Kronos with great precision, your band is really good.
GNB

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:09 pm
by firstlovedan
Well I did get somewhere on Frankenstein. I have been using a couple of hard synth leads and an arppegio that I found...can't remember but it us under the 'cc category'. I have an aesome replica of the downward synth effect on my Motif. So all I need is to nail this arp lead.

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:48 pm
by ccmacdon
gnbutt wrote:Wow, great work on Green Eyed Lady too, one of my favourites, I used to own a B3 Hammond and Leslie 122, you have replicated the voices on the Kronos with great precision, your band is really good.
GNB
THANKS GNB!!! It's a great bunch of guys that I play with and we play a lot of the songs I grew up with and loved.. It was Green Eyed Lady, and Gregg Rolie's Santana solos that inspired me to play the Hammond!!! I've owned a number of real hammonds over the years!!! to many to list..

Glad you enjoyed the clips! Craig