How do you sequence drum on kronos???

[1jordyzzz]

no one answering my question??

You mean about meter changes? You edit the Master Track in Event Edit and change the Time Signature of a few measures. If I recall correctly how this works, once you edit the meter of a measure, then that continues after that until the end of the song. So you have to edit the bar to 2/4, then edit the next bar back to 4/4 (or whatever).

yes kay.. is there a page in the manual i should look into??? or if somebody could explain it (sharp maybe)?

[QuiRobinez]

Yes you're right, the best way could be to connect the DAW with hardware and not only working with hardware alone! Especially for song arrangment ...

I'm still trying this with FL Studio (I prefer this DAW much over Sonar ) and meanwhile it works good with your great informations you gave me in the other thread! I found a way for latency compensation there, too ..

With typical hardware synths like my Virus B it works fine! And it's very good and easy to create beats in a DAW, too ... but with this many features of the Kronos it seems not very easy to use the Kronos full and good with the DAW?

I read many threads here about that and I think I understand, that a good way is to set the Kronos to the Combi Mode ... but how can I use Karma good with the DAW ? And the transfer of midi files from DAW to the Kronos ... and back again ... at the moment for me that seems to be a little bit stressful ? If I work with my DAW, I'm not sure if I would get a good transfer of my work there compatible to the Kronos ... ? Especially if I use Audio VST effects, samples in the DAW and some sounds of the Kronos ... Well, but I'm still reading and have to understand more of that!

Combining hard and software synths en FX isn't that hard at all when you use a DAW. Basicly what you need is an Audio interface and a good audiopath routing setup in your DAW.

for instance, i can use any hardware synth in my studio at the same time as a VSTI. Also i can route hardware synth sounds through VST FX or route VSTI audio outputs through the Hardware synths.

Whenever i mixdown a song i simply press the export button and all hardware and software sounds and effects are merged into 1 one wav file in realtime including automation and everything. It's really simple to setup if you now your way around the DAW audiopath connection screens which basicly is a virtual audio signal patch panel.

Probably fruityloops can't do this, but Sonar can do this.

And if I would use the Kronos only as a sound module ... I would loose many of the inspiring tools from it and many features I would pay for nothing?

no you won't, the only thing you don't use is the sequencer, which makes sense because you use a DAW in that case.

The kronos sequencer you can use if you want to perform live and play the audio parts you prepared in your daw for your concerts. Or you could use the Kronos sequencer as a sketch pad when you have a practice session with your band.

But things like KARMA, FX, Combi's, sound editing still will be all available when using the Kronos in a DAW environment.

So finally my goals are at the moment:

1. Look what is really possible with the Kronos features itself
2. Look for the best way to integrate it to my setup with a good workflow
3. Find a good a way to play my music live, too - (not only with a notebook)
4. Hope for a better sequencer for the Kronos

And I think I have to understand more of all this features and possibilities because the last years i only opened another Omnisphere .. instance in one second!

1. that takes time because the kronos is basicly 9 instruments instead of 1. So it's impossible to learn all these possibilities in a week.
2. use sonar instead of fruityloops and you're halfway there
3. playing live music is a matter of preparation. You create audio tracks of your most important parts and transfer them to the sequencer. Now you can play the backing track of your live music and play over that backing track.

Keep in mind that workstations are mostly focusing on song based sequencers. If you want to play live sets based on patterns, then use a sequencer that is designed for that purpose. Like ableton or a hardware mpc or one of the 100's other solutions.

On the kronos you could use RPPR patterns which are also a kind of pattern based. But i don't think that's really suited for complete live sets.

Personally i like the backing track approach. See my backing track tutorial for how you could do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzVvnGccgc

4: you never know, but it will never be as good as a computer DAW


I also made a tutorial where i integrate the Kronos and Omnisphere and a DAW when playing live. You could look in that tutorial how this is done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd23OjFZjz8

The reason I'm interested with the Kronos is Karma and its great sound syntheses and effects but also its control possibilities ... so the questions is, how to use all this good and with a great workflow together WITH the DAW ?

That's really simple. You select a VSTI sound and press the KARMA button and route the KARMA output in your daw to that VSTI. Then record the midi information from KARMA in your daw and then your done

The best solution for a musician like me would be a full Kronos VST with all its syntheses and sounds and Karma integrate, I still have a 76 key and 2 good sequencers ... but that isn't available so I have to look how to work with the Kronos keyboard version.

If you really want a VSTI for the Kronos then look for a different synth / workstation. The current editor solution for the Kronos isn't a professional one. It doesn't work on 64 bits systems and total recall is a big problem.

You have to use the Kronos the same way as old synthesizers. So basicly you create a combi with the sounds and select that because total recall isn't available. If you want automation you need to create a CC automation lane for that specific parameters.

If you really want to have a more modern approach you could look at synths like the Access Virus TI, Roland GAIA or a Motif XF which has a fantastic VSTI integration and even editors on the IPAD.

The kronos doesn't have this so you have to decide for yourself how much this is a problem for you.

[clipnotic]

@grobinez:

Really, you are the most helpful forum user I've ever seen and I visited many forums ... thank you very very much again for your help and good explanation, tutorials ... Great! Korg should pay you money for all your very good work you do! (By the way, you need an own webside with a Donate button!)


And yes, you are right, I have all that necessary things still available here! I just never looked to them like that you're describing ...

I tried Virus TI and Motif (only a little bit), too and yes both are very good machines. OK the sound what I would like from the Virus TI, I can program similar with Sylenth, Surge and Omnisphere, too. Motif is an good alternative workstation with a great sound but it's still "only" a rompler. Here I will wait what Yamaha brings up in the future to rival the Kronos!

What I like from Korg is that special Korg sound. For me that Korg sound is unique ... you hate or you love it. The only VST I found which can do a similar sound charakter is the Korg Legacy Wavestation. I love that plugin but it seems Korgs "Gui-Size-Programmer" uses big reading glasses because to program that Legacy Wavestation plugin is horrible on my 24" display, too because of that small gui I need a loupe ... well, and good prepared natural sounds I want to have, too ... OK for that I could use more of the East West collections ...

so it seems I have to check out that way to integrate the Kronos as an oldschool synthesizer ... hopefully Korg brings up some modern options, too in the future!?

[StephenKay]

no one answering my question??

You mean about meter changes? You edit the Master Track in Event Edit and change the Time Signature of a few measures. If I recall correctly how this works, once you edit the meter of a measure, then that continues after that until the end of the song. So you have to edit the bar to 2/4, then edit the next bar back to 4/4 (or whatever).

yes kay.. is there a page in the manual i should look into??? or if somebody could explain it (sharp maybe)?

I did explain it...did you read it?

Master Track > MIDI Event Edit > each measure has a time signature. Change them.

[1jordyzzz]

okay kay... i'll try it asap.. thanks a lot