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how to do it easily?? is there a feature which allows me to copy paste a measure?? usually i have to play it manually, but sometimes the result are very disappointed.. lot's of "wrong value" note that cannot be fixed easily by quantize feature. playing it manually is good if you're making slow tempo songs.. but once the tempo is very high, you'll start getting a headache.

my friends here on indonesia using are using DAW, steinberg nuendo, and the say they were able to "draw" the drum pattern.. just for info.. is it available on kronos..

anyways, how to make drum track easily without getting a headache?? how do you do it when you're creating a song??

thanks before

You could always use the preset drum pattern and copy onto your user patterns. You can then modify these as you wish. Once you are in the swing of it, it becomes very quick and easy.
Then copy to midi track.
You can then use another midi track to add drums to your drum section to enhance it. I do that real time. Set the resolution to semi quaver.

hope that helps

is there a feature which allows me to copy paste a measure??

Everything regarding editing can be found on the “Edit Track” page. Just touch the tab in the top right of the screen when you get to that page.

usually i have to play it manually, but sometimes the result are very disappointed.. lot's of "wrong value" note that cannot be fixed easily by quantize feature.

On that page I mentioned above, there’s an option in the drop down menu called “Event Edit”. This is like a micro editing function that will allow you to shift notes individually. So if you play too soon, too late, or you hit the wrong key. Event Edit will allow you to correct those mistakes.

my friends here on indonesia using are using DAW, steinberg nuendo, and the say they were able to "draw" the drum pattern.. just for info.. is it available on kronos..

Step Record does pretty much the same thing only you don’t draw notes with a mouse, you insert them.

Step Record mode is mighty powerful. If you can master that, your beats will be so tight that they will be perfect precision. I use this mode a lot myself, and I mean a lot.

Regards
Sharp.

thanks sharp and runningman!

now i have some learning process to do..

my question is:

How can I create IDM and Electro Beats with modulations like pitches and freaky rolls ... with that sequencer features and the step edit?

I watched many nice videos on Youtube about the Kronos where people made demos with it and the sounds of the Kronos are wonderful but mostly the beats are a little bit standard or boring for my taste!

A drumgrid/piano roll could be really helpful?


@.Jens:
If you see my post here and become angry again - please really believe me, I don't want bring trouble upon the Kronos! I create my beats always from scratch and I created my own style and if that would be possible with the Kronos, too, many musicians like me would be very happy!

It can't be the solution to tinker with only realtime or a step edit feature in the Kronos! This machine has a touch screen which could be very useful for a piano roll! Look what Apps for less money or for free on the IPad can do ...

It's not a criticism it's a only a feature!

How can I create IDM and Electro Beats with modulations like pitches and freaky rolls ... with that sequencer features and the step edit?

Beats like that are not recorded into a single track. The different parts Drum, Snare and so on are recorded into separate tracks. By doing this you can then use the controllers to adjust IFX Send Values to the individual parts, Cut-off / Resonance and pitch.

The choice of IFX you chain together are key to warping your sound.

Stereo Multi Mode Filter
Stereo Decimator
Stereo Wave Shaper
Stereo Pitch Shifter
Stereo Ring Modulation
Grain Modulation are just some of the effects that come to mind that you should explore.

Rolls can be achieved using bpm delay. As with the effects above, assign send values to controllers so you can adjust them in real time during the recording process.

You should also make use the overdub recording mode to allow you to add the controller values to your beats after you had recorded them. This will give you tons of real-time control.

Regards
Sharp.

Thank you very much for fast explanation! And yes, the FX setup from the Kronos is very good for that!

But there are only 16 midi tracks in the Kronos or? Well, for a beat like that it is enough but the Kronos is not only a drum machine ?

And how can I edit fine-grained that recorded overdubs after recording?

Beats can be very complex!

But there are only 16 midi tracks in the Kronos or? Well, for a beat like that it is enough but the Kronos is not only a drum machine ?

There are countless ways to work.

Simply make your beats in one song location, then reclaim tracks after you have designed your beats by using the resampling function to combine them into a single track.

Then use that resampled beat in the actual song.

If you do that, you even gain a different kind of control over them. You can now make use of Beat Slicing, and since your Beats are now Audio, you can do some funky audio scratching just as if they beats where Vinyl.

And how can I edit fine-grained that recorded overdubs after recording?

On the Track Edit page you have a complete set of tools in the drop down menu that allow you to micro edit, step record, and insert / modify any note or controller data you like.

Regards
Sharp.

Really thank you again for your tips!

Yes, resampling is possible but later in the mix of the whole song with the other instruments I would have to go back to the beat song to adjust nuances and then resampling again and again and again ... or?

it's not really an easy workflow or?

I don't know how others here are working but for me I need all sounds, the beat include, to mix my whole song good! I need to listen how the snare works with the bass or how the kick works with bass or how the attack of the arp sound works with the kick ... and if it doesn't work, I have to fix it directly with my ears and fingers and not only with effects like an EQ or compressor - often it's good to adjust the sound itself, change a beat sound, edit a beat sound and especially with that much of great syntheses, too ... if I would need for every beat adjustment a resampling process again ....

That will reduce beat making like working with loops?

Still not a problem. Just think outside the box.

Remember your KRONOS has 16 HDR Tracks too, so there's nothing stopping you from running your beats as audio on separate HDR Tracks. That way you can still have everything separate and you can retain full individual control over everything.

Leaving all 16 Midi Tracks free for instruments.

Regards
Sharp.

ah ok that's a good point!

About that I have to think a little bit, that could be a possibility ...

Let's look if I found something new after thinking ... but anyway, this machine needs a drumgrid/piano roll, because with that I could use the 16 HDR tracks for other things!

Thank you!

hey sharp, 1 question..
is it possible to do multiple recordings on 1 midi channel (drum channel)??
for example, i want to record the bass drum first.. then on the next recording, i add snare drum, then the next i add hi hats and cymbals.. so it's not like i'm overwriting my previous recording, it's like i'm adding more notes to it.. is that possible??

Yeah, sure.
Lets say you want to record a beat 4 measures long in the way you just mentioned.

1: Go to the preference page and change the default recording mode from Overwrite to Overdub.

2: Now go to the “Midi Track Loop” Page and set your midi track to loop from Measures 1 to 4.

3: Now simply start recording. Play your Bass Drum part. When 4 measures have passed, you will hear the KRONOS playing back what you just recorded.

4: Stop and start recording again to lay down the snare in over the Bass Drum on the same track.

5: Continue to build up your song beats using this method.

Tip....
Overdub will not overwrite, so you can just keep going without stopping the recording process if you like. However, if you do it the way I said above stopping and starting the recording process, if you make a mistake you can press compare to undo the last addition you added to the track, and simply start recording again.

This way you don't loose the entire track when you make a mistake. You only loose the last layer you added to the track.

Regards
Sharp.

Is it possible to recreate single tracks from such a multi drum track, too, on the fly?

I'm not sure what you are asking.

Are you looking to take an existing drum track and splitting it so that each percussion in that track is split to a separate track ?

Regards
Sharp.