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Access to Sample Streaming Tools for Users...Korg?

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:34 pm
by NuSkoolTone
I've mentioned it in many posts, but now it's time to formally ask Korg:

Can we PLEASE as users get the ability to make our own streaming sample libraries? If Karo can do it, so should we!

Are they sending you completed libraries which you convert to streaming or do they have tools to which they can make the samples streaming themselves and can optimize the libraries with software tools? The latter sounds like a more likely scenario IMO.

I'm asking and requesting because even though the Kronos has many wonderful sounds and there are some excellent libraries available, what gets "officially" released isn't always going to meet the needs of every user. With sample streaming, ANYONE could make a sample library that meets their needs.

Example: I'd really like some great guitar libraries. Especially Distorted Guitar. Sure, I could do the recordings and make a sample library but for what I currently have access to in the Kronos, I'd have to get heavily involved in doing looping. This takes a LOT of time to do properly and makes the project that much less feasible. It also brings the quality of the library WAY DOWN in comparison to what a streamed library would sound like.

Also since the RAM in the machine is finite and I have to put the entire sample in RAM that severely limits what I can do as well. When you take loading other libraries into consideration it's simply not worth it. So that means I can't get the guitars I want in my Kronos. Before anyone jumps on Guitars as "Unnecessary" keep in mind this could be for anything. Motown Horns, Rock Saxes, Choirs, and a new Elec Bass library are but a few examples I think Kronos could benefit from.

While the ability to do so is great, loading Akai libraries is of limited use as well because of the RAM limitation. We've already discussed that there is no chance to expand the RAM any further due to the hardware and OS architecture. So once you expand the RAM the extra 1GB, that's all you can do and no update can change that. Streaming makes all these issues go away! Of course there are limits still to what you can do in the end, but you can go infinitely further from an onboard sounds perspective. THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE, I'M JUST REQUESTING ACCESS TO IT!

Please don't tell us it's too complicated, or that there are considerations that must be taken into account (Implying many users are too dumb to use it without running into problems), as an excuse. We're big boys (and girls) and as we've seen by the "The Kronos Inner Workings - For the brave ones" thread is proof of that. I think it's fair to say we have a competent (in many cases advanced) user base here and would only like to make the most of the wonderful technology you've put in this product.

This will make the Kronos that much more useful for years to come even after the next "big thing".

So with humblest intentions, PLEASE let us know if user sample streaming is coming, or WHY if it is not.

Thank you.

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:16 pm
by Dniss
I have the felling by doing so, they would be giving away their protection scheme.

But that's just a guess, not based on anything factual.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:29 pm
by NuSkoolTone
Dniss wrote:I have the felling by doing so, they would be giving away their protection scheme.

But that's just a guess, not based on anything factual.
That's interesting, though I'd be very surprised if that were the case. just MHO though.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:38 pm
by BobTheDog
I must admit as a new kronos user I was a bit shocked we can't do this!

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:48 pm
by SanderXpander
It seems to me SSD speed is not limitless. RAM is still a lot faster. You could probably really run into the limits if you started streaming multiple libraries from disk at the same time. I would think this a serious arguments against user streaming, except they let Karo do it which I don't get in that case. You'd figure they'd want to reserve bandwidth at least for SGX-1.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:29 pm
by levioter
Good point NuSkoolTone !
I totally agree with you on that one !
A modified HD-1 or a new HD-2 should give us the ability to read samples from the SSD !
The RAM limitation is quite forcing that !

In the samplers like Kontakt you can choose against different modes including streaming,ram, etc...

Of course coming with this possibility should also come a powerful sample editor/Librarian to tailor the user librairies.

May be Heider can help ? :lol:

Cheers.

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:21 pm
by danatkorg
We're aware that VMT for user samples would be a desirable feature. That's all that I can say for now!

Best regards,

Dan

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:34 pm
by BobTheDog
Sounds good to me :)

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:15 am
by NuSkoolTone
danatkorg wrote:We're aware that VMT for user samples would be a desirable feature. That's all that I can say for now!

Best regards,

Dan
Thank you for the acknowledgment Dan. Please keep us posted! Should the time come, PM me if you need a beta tester for this. I'd be happy to help.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:07 am
by SynthKeyWizard
levioter wrote:Good point NuSkoolTone !
I totally agree with you on that one !
A modified HD-1 or a new HD-2 should give us the ability to read samples from the SSD !
The RAM limitation is quite forcing that !

In the samplers like Kontakt you can choose against different modes including streaming,ram, etc...

Of course coming with this possibility should also come a powerful sample editor/Librarian to tailor the user librairies.

May be Heider can help ? :lol:

Cheers.
In my opinion, it would be better to create HD-2 engine with more oscillators and something like DNC of PA3X. Of course, we can use wawetables with alternative modulation sources, but specific DNC functionality would be great addition to the almost perfect "rompler" (HD1).

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:40 pm
by NuSkoolTone
SynthKeyWizard wrote: In my opinion, it would be better to create HD-2 engine with more oscillators and something like DNC of PA3X. Of course, we can use wawetables with alternative modulation sources, but specific DNC functionality would be great addition to the almost perfect "rompler" (HD1).
That's awesome. How about we save that for the Kronos II thread ok? Only because as much as I would enjoy that too, it's highly unlikely we'll see that ever happen. This is about the Kronos we own NOW ;)

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:24 pm
by bronswerk
It still makes you wonder why on earth Karo should get exclusive rights for this technology and ordinary users are left in the cold. Is it because Karo paid good money to Korg? A questionable decision from Korg imo. Users should be their main interest and not other third party companies.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:31 pm
by michelkeijzers
bronswerk wrote:It still makes you wonder why on earth Karo should get exclusive rights for this technology and ordinary users are left in the cold. Is it because Karo paid good money to Korg? A questionable decision from Korg imo. Users should be their main interest and not other third party companies.
It could be that it is not just a matter of switching something to use streaming. Maybe the samples have to be analyzed/processed which would cost time for Korg; maybe some algorithm 'secrets' have to be shared. And yes, there could also be a pure commercial reason.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:50 pm
by cello
bronswerk wrote:It still makes you wonder why on earth Karo should get exclusive rights for this technology and ordinary users are left in the cold. Is it because Karo paid good money to Korg? A questionable decision from Korg imo. Users should be their main interest and not other third party companies.
Not exclusive to Karo at all - Irish Acts releasing their ASSAULT library soon-ish.

And if Dan says they think it's a good idea, I strongly suspect that they're thinking of ways to bring such good ideas to the Kronos table. May not actually happen (yes, commercialism may get in the way for one reason or another)- but they're thinking about it which is better than them not thinking about it!

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:53 pm
by NuSkoolTone
cello wrote: Not exclusive to Karo at all - Irish Acts releasing their ASSAULT library soon-ish.

And if Dan says they think it's a good idea, I strongly suspect that they're thinking of ways to bring such good ideas to the Kronos table. May not actually happen (yes, commercialism may get in the way for one reason or another)- but they're thinking about it which is better than them not thinking about it!
Interesting. I was wondering about that. I guess then the current question is: In the meantime, how does someone become a "developer"?