Kronos Filters in HD1....

plisken · Post by **plisken** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:41 am

Hey guys!

So im trying to do something in HD-1 that I cant seem to get the Kronos to do. I was able to do this on roland synths and kurzweil synths real easy... =(. ok so I want OSC 1 and 2 to both go in to the same Filter chain together. How can I do this?

It should look like this the Chain.
OSC1----------->Filter A ----> Filter B --->amp
OSC2-----^

I tried just putting the same Filter settings for each OSC separately but that didnt really workout =(. Did not get what I wanted doing it that way.

Please help!!! >.<!!!

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:56 am

In HD1 this is not possible this way, as soon as you set the Osc types to double, both oscs have their own Filter settings. You could indeed set filter 1 and 2 to both the same values. in theory this should do the same as routing both oscs through one filter. If you do this, then route a source like the vector joystick for instance to both filter sections so when you modify the filter with the vector joystick that both filters will be modified by the same amount.

A more simple approach would be that you use a a Multimode Filter Insert FX on the HD1 sound. That filter works like the way you described over two Oscs.

Why don't you like the fact that both oscs have their own filter sections? Personally i love it, because in one sound you can use different kind of filter types next to eachother.

For instance i've created this pad sound with the HD1 where OSC1 goes through a Low Pass Filter and OSC2 goes through a Band Pass Filter that is modified by an LFO. That one program sounds really alive that way!

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:45 pm

Maybe it would be nice if there is some kind of 'sync' toggle to sync the values to be changed in both filters at the same time (and also toggles for the amplitude, lfo etc).

Such toggle would work equally like the sync toggle for volumes in timbres.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:54 pm

michelkeijzers wrote:Maybe it would be nice if there is some kind of 'sync' toggle to sync the values to be changed in both filters at the same time (and also toggles for the amplitude, lfo etc).

Such toggle would work equally like the sync toggle for volumes in timbres.

yes that would be nice, although you can achieve it already by applying the same AMS resource in the Filter 1 and filter 2 Mod pages.

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:13 pm

If both OSCs share the same pitch info, etc in your programming, just use a one OSC architecture with a layer of samples at the OSC page. Both samples will pass thru the same parameters at every stage.

Blink

plisken · Post by **plisken** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:34 pm

qrobinez wrote:In HD1 this is not possible this way, as soon as you set the Osc types to double, both oscs have their own Filter settings. You could indeed set filter 1 and 2 to both the same values. in theory this should do the same as routing both oscs through one filter. If you do this, then route a source like the vector joystick for instance to both filter sections so when you modify the filter with the vector joystick that both filters will be modified by the same amount.

A more simple approach would be that you use a a Multimode Filter Insert FX on the HD1 sound. That filter works like the way you described over two Oscs.

Why don't you like the fact that both oscs have their own filter sections? Personally i love it, because in one sound you can use different kind of filter types next to eachother.

For instance i've created this pad sound with the HD1 where OSC1 goes through a Low Pass Filter and OSC2 goes through a Band Pass Filter that is modified by an LFO. That one program sounds really alive that way!

Oh I dont hate it at all! It works great for what it can do. What I dont like is its not as flexible as I wish it could be. As I mentioned before, I tried Making both OSC have the same exact filter settings. Didn't really work out. Also I cant layer both Samples in 1 OSC. I need it to be in OSC 2 because I want it to have some variation in pitch from OSC 1.

And using MultiMode Filter IFX will not work unfortunately =(. I need to be able to have the filters be affected by the filter envelope.

To help you guys understand my mind set. Before my Kronos, I wasnt really into korg. I tried with the TR then the Extreme but couldn't get into them. I was ether using Roland synths and Kurzweil synths. So the sounds I have made over the years were on those 2 synth engines.

Im trying to making all those sounds in my Kronos. Im actually almost done. This is pretty much the last sound im trying to make on the Kronos from my previous keyboards. But it also happens to be the hardest because of technical limitations.

plisken · Post by **plisken** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:21 pm

I was thinking about sampling this sound with the Filter settings already instead of RAW. what do you guys think? Would I have a better chance getting what I want that way then trying to re-create it from raw on the kronos?

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:42 pm

Unless you're using the Drive section, the HD-1 filter and amp are linear. That means that duplicating the parameters for the second oscillator will produce exactly the same results as running two oscillators through the same chain.

An easy way to do this, btw, would be to set up the filter and amp as desired in Osc 1, and then use Copy Oscillator to copy settings to Osc 2. After that, set up the different PCM as desired (e.g., the detuning that you mentioned).

While fine-tuning, you can use the "Sync Both EGs" menu options for the Filter and Amp EGs, so that edits to one Osc affect the other.

Hope this helps!

Dan

plisken · Post by **plisken** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:48 pm

hmm I see. if thats the case then that means its my filter/eg settings that are not working out. This sound might not be possible on a korg I guess, or more likely I suck at programming for korg synths >.> But I cant even come close to getting it to sound right.

I did make a version of this sound using the Polysix EXi though, its pretty good, not the same but I guess it will have to do!