Will there be a new Kronos X Forum?

roblof · Post by **roblof** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:56 pm

Hmm, are all or some of these ethernet adapters available worldwide?

I think I'll stay with the internal ethernet connector...

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:06 pm

roblof wrote:Hmm, are all or some of these ethernet adapters available worldwide?

I think I'll stay with the internal ethernet connector...

I purchased the Apple one direct from their online store, so yes.. that one is easily available world wide. It works pretty good too.

Regards
Sharp.

ChadOnKeys · Post by **ChadOnKeys** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:07 pm

The way I see it is we didn’t have a new forum for OS update 1.6, or 1.5 so I don’t see why we should have a separate forum for OS update 2.0

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:23 pm

Fair enough - I can see the consensus - but I still argue that this is not Kronos, it's a separate release called Kronos X. Korg have made the differentiation and I think it's a strategic mistake not to respect Korg's call on that and create a separate forum (and wonder why there are several Triton forums here). Kronos X users will not have their own forum here.

Kronos X is not Kronos. It's a new release and am confident - very confident - that many of the hardware issues associated with Kronos are now resolved.

For example, though I do not have a Kronos (I have two OASYS and that'll do for now), I will eventually purchase two Kronos workstations; and whether new or second hand, I can promise you, they will not be Kronos, they will be Kronos X for all the reasons we know. Hence with one forum only for Kronos, this forum is muddying the water for the long term with Kronos for future prospective new buyers / users. So to me, the difference between Kronos and Kronos X is all the difference in the world because of the likelihood of superior physical / electronic / mechanical parts in Kronos X; (as well as the default superior spec and other RAM issues Dan has pointed to). Even w.r.t to default spec - in the long term, this forum now cannot offer, by default, clarity on that and I can envisage many questions in the future by prospective 2nd and users with confused and frustrated understanding from any advice given here on what to buy 2nd hand - as in - if everyone here is calling a Kronos a Kronos X - which it isn't - then you'll be contributing to long term lack of clarity on the various different Kronos releases.

I think Sharp you are making a strategic mistake. You may decide it stays the way it is; but you are providing a false impression with that stance.

Kevin.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:33 pm

Kevin Nolan wrote:Fair enough - I can see the consensus - but I still argue that this is not Kornos, it's a separate release called Kronos X. Korg have made the differentiation and I think it's a strategic mistake not create a separate forum (and wonder why there are several Triton forums here). Kronos X users will not have their own forum here.

Kronos X is not Kronos. It's a new release and am confident - very confident - that many of the hardware issues associated with Kronos are now resolved.

For example, though I do not have a Kronos (I have two OASYS and that'll do for now), I will eventually purchase two Kronos workstations; and whether new or second hand, I can promise you, they will not be Kronos, they will be Kronos X for all the reasons we know. Hence with one forum only for Kronos, this forum is muddying the water for the long term with Kronos for future prospective new buyers / users. So to me, the difference between Kronos and Kronos X is all the difference int h world because of the likelihood of superior physical / electronic / mechanical parts in Kronos X.

I think Sharp you are making a strategic mistake.

Kevin.

Kevin, I know you like your semantics but I think you are off target.

I plan to " X-ify " my Kronos 88 very soon. The hardware upgrade is simple to grasp. See no need for a another sub forum which could confuse the community.
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X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:41 pm

Indeed I personally think the multiple triton forums might have seemed a good idea at the time but really segregate a user base that have a lot in common. Besides, at least those different models had different features.

Seeing as the Kronos will upgrade to OS2.0, there will be no difference in features whatsoever between the Kronos and KronosX, so users of both will benefit from the knowledge of eachother.

From what I can see, the only difference is an increase in the standard storage capacity, which some Kronos users have achieved anyway.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:01 pm

GregC wrote:
Kevin Nolan wrote:Fair enough - I can see the consensus - but I still argue that this is not Kornos, it's a separate release called Kronos X. Korg have made the differentiation and I think it's a strategic mistake not create a separate forum (and wonder why there are several Triton forums here). Kronos X users will not have their own forum here.

Kronos X is not Kronos. It's a new release and am confident - very confident - that many of the hardware issues associated with Kronos are now resolved.

For example, though I do not have a Kronos (I have two OASYS and that'll do for now), I will eventually purchase two Kronos workstations; and whether new or second hand, I can promise you, they will not be Kronos, they will be Kronos X for all the reasons we know. Hence with one forum only for Kronos, this forum is muddying the water for the long term with Kronos for future prospective new buyers / users. So to me, the difference between Kronos and Kronos X is all the difference int h world because of the likelihood of superior physical / electronic / mechanical parts in Kronos X.

I think Sharp you are making a strategic mistake.

Kevin.
Kevin, I know you like your semantics but I think you are off target.

I plan to " X-ify " my Kronos 88 very soon. The hardware upgrade is simple to grasp. See no need for a another sub forum which could confuse the community.
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To me it isn't semantics; I suspect there are significant manufacturing differences.

Let me put it this way: When Korg OASYS got STR-1, we were sent a "SONDIUS" sticker to all OASYS users to indicate that that technology was licensed and on board. So the question is - are Korg sending out an "X" to put on your Kronos when you upgrade? If so I'll stand corrected and agree there is no difference. If, however they are not offering that sticker, then you cannot claim that you can "X-ify" your Kronos and should, for example, you sell it in the future claiming such then you are misleading that prospective buyer.

So to me, as said in my last post, the difference is all the difference in the world and I feel for honesty sake alone there should be forum for Kronso X.

After all - what are we talking about here - we're talking about a forum - an open area for engagement. It may be undesirable and inconvenient for the runners of this forum not to want to go to that length - fine I get that - but you will have muddied the water on Korg releases and that, to me, reduces to point of the forum in its true value. Kronos X users, enthusiasts and prospective buyers will not have a forum.

Kevin.

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:03 pm

Hi Kevin.
I'm very sorry but I really don't understand your logic here at all.

Regards
Sharp.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:09 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi Kevin.
I'm very sorry but I really don't understand your logic here at all.

Regards
Sharp.

Is there, or is there not, a difference between Kronos and Kronos X? Korg seem to think so - they have re-branded it! It may be the same OS spec as an upgraded Kronos, but is Kronos X made, for example, to a higher manufacturing spec? Is there a stronger chassis? Will they need to be shipped with cardboard holding the key bed in place, etc, ...

And - if Korg feel the differences are worth re branding; do you feel it is worth acknowledging here?

I already accept you don't - but the point is - I feel the differences are all the difference in the world and given the amount of hardware issues with Kronos, will steer my focus only on Kronos X.

So if Korg feel there is a difference, and many like me feel there is a difference - is it OK for you to ignore that on a Korg forum?

I realise I'm making a lot out of this; but feel it worth flagging and thinking about for all the reasons mentioned.

What if there's a Kronos rack with the exact same spec as Kronos X in a year - will it get its own forum? My question is no deeper than that, but, IMO, not trite.

Kevin.

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:10 pm

Kevin Nolan wrote:Kronos X is not Kronos. It's a new release and am confident - very confident - that many of the hardware issues associated with Kronos are now resolved.

Kevin,
which hardware issues are you refering to (there certainly weren't many enough to talk about "many of them"), and what makes you "very confident", that the Kronos X has completely other hardware specifications concerning whatever you mean? I didn't see or hear a single word from Korg about that possibility so far
- no new keybed
- no new fan
- no other sliders
- no new data wheel
Nothing of that kind was advertised or even mentioned. Am I missing something? Or are you worried about one or two stickies referring to older hardware problems before the RH3 keybed fixes, or user enhancements?

My question was, if you know a single Kronos X topic, which couldn't and shouldn't be debated in the present Kronos forum. Do you know any or could imagine any?

I guess we Kronos users just fail to see any of the big difference you seem to see in the Kronos X. I already have a Kronos with "X" specifications named so far, since quite a while

cello · Post by **cello** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:17 pm

Is maybe the acid test not their serial number?

If the Kronos X starts at 3800 or whatever then it is logical not to have a new forum. If the serial starts at 0001 then Korg consider it a new keyboard, perhaps the forum should consider it likewise?

A thought just occurred to me too - raised by Kevin's resale point - if the serial starts at 3800, how does a buyer know its not just a previously produced Kronos with the upgrades retro-fitted? Is this a clever way to shift old stock that has been tarnished by the issues we all know about?

Everyone appears to be assuming it's from a new production line, but if it's so easy to user-upgrade the old Kronos, it will be just as easy for Korg to upgrade it in the same way - with the addition of a sticker.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:24 pm

If the forum will split between Kronos and Kronos X everybody with a Kronos or Kronos X needs to check both fora groups which is (for most people) a waste of time.

KevinH · Post by **KevinH** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:32 pm

To me, it just seems like a marketing ploy to give new buyers a warm, fuzzy feeling. It disassociates it from the bad press of the early issues. Add a bigger SSD and 1GB RAM, so they can say it's an upgrade. Then slap a red X on it and call it a new workstation. I seriously doubt there's any difference between my 36XX serial number Kronos and any new Kronos X, other than the larger SSD.

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:49 pm

Simple question Kevin:

As user (guess) of a Kronos X, which question could you ask that not match the Kronos forum ? config ? sequencer ?

maphill · Post by **maphill** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:55 pm

I don't see a reason for an "X" forum, but personally I would be interested in sub-forums for Kronos debugging, Kronos sequencying, Kronos sound design, Kronos user introductions, etc.

I greatly appreciate the current forum, don't get me wrong. But I have to do some wading to find what I'm looking for within the Kronos forum.

My $0.02.
Mark