Kronos as a looper pedal:Hold Delay

[narf]

I just discovered this today and was having a lot of fun with it. The Hold Delay effect acts like a loop pedal, much like a loop station. Here's a quick video of me trying it out...
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[QuiRobinez]

nice!

On the korg m3 there was also a loop delay preset for that purpose.

[MarPabl]

Would be even nicer if you also provide actual instructions for understanding how to implement this effect

[Ksynth]

I just discovered this today and was having a lot of fun with it. The Hold Delay effect acts like a loop pedal, much like a loop station. Here's a quick video of me trying it out...
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There is no such thing as overlooping lol

Thanks for the demo and appreciate you trouble. As another person wrote some actual details would be helpful if you get the time.

[danatkorg]

Would be even nicer if you also provide actual instructions for understanding how to implement this effect

From the Parameter Guide (also in the Help system):

Using the Hold Delay

Recording layered loops with the Hold Delay is easy. To do so:
1. On the IFX Insert FX page, select the Hold Delay effect.
This is an easy way to get to the default effects settings, which we’ll be using:
• REC Source: JS +Y: CC#01
• Reset Source: JS –Y: CC#02
• Manual Rec Control: Off
• Manual Reset Control: Off
• Loop Time [msec]: Auto
• MIDI/Tempo Sync: Off
2. Push the main joystick (not the Vector Joystick) in the +Y direction (away from you).
This starts the recording.
3. Play a phrase.
4. Release the joystick to its original position.
This stops the recording. The phrase will now start to loop. Since Loop Time is set to Auto, the loop’s duration will match that of the recording.
5. Push the main joystick in the +Y direction again. 6. Play another phrase, over the loop.
7. Release the joystick to its original position.
Now, you should hear what you just played layered over the first loop. You can overdub as many passes as you like.
To clear the loop and start over:
8. Pull the joystick in the –Y direction (towards you).

Hold Delay is mono
The Hold Delay uses a single, long, mono delay line (although you can control the pan of the delay). For best results with stereo effects, such as chorus and reverb, use the stereo effects after the Hold Delay.

[RonF]

Whats the max rec time?

[danatkorg]

Whats the max rec time?

See the description of the Loop Time [msec] parameter in the Parameter Guide (or Help system).

[Ksynth]

Whats the max rec time?

5400ms if going to my unexpanded ram?

Perhaps longer if you can send it to other destinations?

[Ksynth]

Whats the max rec time?

See the description of the Loop Time [msec] parameter in the Parameter Guide (or Help system).

As usual feeling pretty stupid as I can't get the Hold Delay to record.

I've read the Parameter Guide and think I've set everything as it ought to be.

Nothing is recording.

Should this work in a normal Program or do I need to be in Sampling mode etc?

Fixed it by going to the IFX Routing tab Changed the Program routing to IFX 5 which happens to be the Hold Delay effect in the Bright Mono Piano program I used.

[MarPabl]

A challenge for you expert programmers

I think we can adjust somewhat this effect to work as the Atomizer on Virus TI. Let's try that

- Here you have a working example
- Here you have an explanation step by step

IMHO, the important thing here is to be able to link the rec time to MIDI (I think this is possible) and then we need to set the SW buttons (for example) to different note durations.

You can also apply low pass or high pass filter to the incoming signal. We can do this by chaining the Filter effects.

Right now I don't have my Kronos near, I'll try next week. Meanwhile, any brave one will try doing this

There are some features I don't think we can achieve: reversing the recorded samples and we're also missing the technology to automatically detect the BPM of the incoming signal (however, by using incoming signal directly from the Kronos, this isn't an issue)

[narf]

Would be even nicer if you also provide actual instructions for understanding how to implement this effect

I was creating a lead sound and wanted some delay and just routed Hold Delay to my sound. Nothing happened until I held JS+. I didn't fiddle with the default settings within the effect in the video. Holding JS+ records the phrase and JS- stops and erases it. I was thrilled to discover it as I never knew it could be done!:) You could create a combi with several instrument splits through the same effect and create more interesting loops.

[blinkofanI]

I didn't use it yet on the Kronos, but on the Trinity a cool effect i used a lot was to press the JS- for split seconds. This will erase the recorded loop for milliseconds only and will insert silence, kind of like stutter effects. But... If you miss and erase an unintended section, you're doomed !!

Blink

[narf]

A challenge for you expert programmers

I think we can adjust somewhat this effect to work as the Atomizer on Virus TI. Let's try that

- Here you have a working example
- Here you have an explanation step by step

IMHO, the important thing here is to be able to link the rec time to MIDI (I think this is possible) and then we need to set the SW buttons (for example) to different note durations.

You can also apply low pass or high pass filter to the incoming signal. We can do this by chaining the Filter effects.

Right now I don't have my Kronos near, I'll try next week. Meanwhile, any brave one will try doing this

There are some features I don't think we can achieve: reversing the recorded samples and we're also missing the technology to automatically detect the BPM of the incoming signal (however, by using incoming signal directly from the Kronos, this isn't an issue)

Pretty cool! I reckon the Kronos can recreate that by just using 3 or 4 Hold Delays, and a Reverse BPM effect. Each one would have different note values and different AMS to activate each effect. For example IFX1 Hold Delay would have a value of a quarter note and AMS assigned to VJS-X, IFX2 Hold Delay will have a value of an eighth note and AMS assigned to VJS+X, IFX3 Hold Delay will have a 16th note and assigned to say maybe the ribbon... I'll give this a go

[narf]

A challenge for you expert programmers

I think we can adjust somewhat this effect to work as the Atomizer on Virus TI. Let's try that

- Here you have a working example
- Here you have an explanation step by step

IMHO, the important thing here is to be able to link the rec time to MIDI (I think this is possible) and then we need to set the SW buttons (for example) to different note durations.

You can also apply low pass or high pass filter to the incoming signal. We can do this by chaining the Filter effects.

Right now I don't have my Kronos near, I'll try next week. Meanwhile, any brave one will try doing this

There are some features I don't think we can achieve: reversing the recorded samples and we're also missing the technology to automatically detect the BPM of the incoming signal (however, by using incoming signal directly from the Kronos, this isn't an issue)

Pretty cool! I reckon the Kronos can recreate that by just using 3 or 4 Hold Delays, and a Reverse BPM effect. Each one would have different note values and different AMS to activate each effect. For example IFX1 Hold Delay would have a value of a quarter note and AMS assigned to VJS-X, IFX2 Hold Delay will have a value of an eighth note and AMS assigned to VJS+X, IFX3 Hold Delay will have a 16th note and assigned to say maybe the ribbon... I'll give this a go

IFX1 to IFX4 all have Hold Delay as the effect with Output value set to Dry. AMS source set to the VJS-X, VJS+Y, VJS+X and VJS-Y at 100 for each respective Hold Delay. MIDI sync is on having values of a 1/4 note, 1/8 note, 1/16 note and 1/32. Rec. control is set to Damper and Reset control is set to SW2. So I step on the damper pedal to record the phrase and use SW2 to clear the phrase.

JS+Y is set to IFX5 Reverse BPM Delay, JS-Y to IFX6 Sequence delay and JSX set to IFX7 Stereo Decimator. You can assign different CC's to these effects and even use an ipad to act like a kaoss pad.

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[MarPabl]

IFX1 to IFX4 all have Hold Delay as the effect with Output value set to Dry. AMS source set to the VJS-X, VJS+Y, VJS+X and VJS-Y at 100 for each respective Hold Delay. MIDI sync is on having values of a 1/4 note, 1/8 note, 1/16 note and 1/32. Rec. control is set to Damper and Reset control is set to SW2. So I step on the damper pedal to record the phrase and use SW2 to clear the phrase.

JS+Y is set to IFX5 Reverse BPM Delay, JS-Y to IFX6 Sequence delay and JSX set to IFX7 Stereo Decimator. You can assign different CC's to these effects and even use an ipad to act like a kaoss pad.

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Great you really nailed it