an idea: get a Kronos luxury variant for more money?

[michelkeijzers]

@Clipnotic: I'm not so sure that testing a new CPU is not much work.

It's not just like putting a new CPU in, start up, play a few minutes and check if it still has not rebooted.

If Korg would do their job well, there is a sort of unit test (progressively) that runs thousands of tests to check performs/stability.

Then there are endurance tests, tests for changed temperatures, checking if the cooler is adequate enough etc.

[clipnotic]

@Clipnotic: I'm not so sure that testing a new CPU is not much work.

It's not just like putting a new CPU in, start up, play a few minutes and check if it still has not rebooted.

If Korg would do their job well, there is a sort of unit test (progressively) that runs thousands of tests to check performs/stability.

Then there are endurance tests, tests for changed temperatures, checking if the cooler is adequate enough etc.

OK if you want that question answered, I'll give you my answer ... OK you don't ask but you understand what I mean ...

You're right, if you want to build a good product, then you have to do good tests. But I don't really believe that Korg is a company which does good tests. Why:

- keybed problems
- crashes
- bugs
...

Let's stop it here because I really don't want to create the next criticism thread here ... and I know you are one of the happy users which never had problems with their Kronos ...

To change a CPU has something to do with the mainboard, the cooler and the power supply. On my main studio PC I can read in the manual of my motherboard which CPUs are possible to put in. Furthermore the Kronos is Linux based or? So if they really coded their OS well it could work with a better CPU without problems and performance should only be better? Software DAWs mostly are working with different CPUs very good! EDIT: and Linux, too!

So, if they coded really good and did put a modern motherboard in the Kronos, changing the CPU would be not much work and no problem!

EDIT:
But if they didn't coded well enough or put an old mainboard in the Kronos - it's their own fault or not?

That's the reason I would pay for a better motherboard, too!

[laandodeman]

I would pay some money if Korg would make Kronos OS2.0 available for Oasys as well. There you would have best of both worlds. Seems like peanuts technically....... But somehow I doubt whether this would with the marketeers reasoning

[Vlad_77]

My english is not the best!

The new KronosX will come soon but it seems it will not fill all my special wishes I have ...

And to stop that endless discussion here and in other forums, which hardware features and whishes are good and which are bad ... there are different workflows and so there are different whishes ... I'm not a pianist and not a keyboarder ... but I love synthesizers and syntheses very much!

I think the best idea would be to get a flexible system for users which are content to pay more money for it?

For example, I know another hardware product with a build in PC, where customers can tell the developer which special hardware they want (other CPU, other soundcard ... ) before buying! And I heard, too, that sometimes developers create special features for big studios, too!

EDIT:
I'm not a big studio but I'm working good and hard for my money! So Korg will get good money from me, too!


So for the Kronos:

For example I would pay 5.000 EUR for a KronosXL 88 with that hardware features:

- better CPU (for more polyphony)
- better motherboard (for good CPU)
- quiet but very good cooler (for good CPU ... )
- 5 years warranty

EDIT: Special OS features

- with a connector for an external display, too, I would pay 5.500 EUR
- with a sequencer update with piano roll ..., too, I would pay 6.000 EUR
- with the possibility to adjust programs detailed when the sequencer is running, too, I would pay 6500 EUR.
...

This thread is not a joke! Possibilities like this are still available with other hardware products!

And it's not necessary to discuss about which features are necessary and which not! My only question is, how much money I will need to pay to get my personal game changer!

So, let's talk about money here ...

@Korg: How much .... ?

What you asking for now resides in Nekos and StudioBlades which are essentially PCs in a keyboard box. But since you can ALREADY interface with the tons of soft synths out there with Kronos I don't see the justification for a Neko whose price point is similar to that of the OASYS at release.

I am curious though about your concerns about the processor in Kronos. I concede that the Atom is NOT a processor for a fully kitted out gaming rig. But after owning Kronos for a year now I have zero complaints about the Atom.

I would also add that anything I WOULD want to add to Kronos I can without incurring a huge expense. SSDs are inexpensive and RAM is dirt cheap. With 2.0 we can finally do USER streaming samples which to me at least is HUGE, and if Kronos hasn't left Yamaha and Roland in the dust already (IMHO it HAS) then this feature surely will provided it is not a byzantine method of doing so.

MY idea of a luxury Kronos would be to have Kate Beckinsale serve me orange juice and perhaps see to "other" needs as well.

Namaste,
Vlad

[cello]

MY idea of a luxury Kronos would be to have Kate Beckinsale serve me orange juice and perhaps see to "other" needs as well.

LOL! Now THAT would be luxury And to be honest, I think there's a better chance of that happening than any of the hardware/software suggestions above!

[clipnotic]

What you asking for now resides in Nekos and StudioBlades which are essentially PCs in a keyboard box. But since you can ALREADY interface with the tons of soft synths out there with Kronos I don't see the justification for a Neko whose price point is similar to that of the OASYS at release.

I am curious though about your concerns about the processor in Kronos. I concede that the Atom is NOT a processor for a fully kitted out gaming rig. But after owning Kronos for a year now I have zero complaints about the Atom.

I would also add that anything I WOULD want to add to Kronos I can without incurring a huge expense. SSDs are inexpensive and RAM is dirt cheap. With 2.0 we can finally do USER streaming samples which to me at least is HUGE, and if Kronos hasn't left Yamaha and Roland in the dust already (IMHO it HAS) then this feature surely will provided it is not a byzantine method of doing so.

MY idea of a luxury Kronos would be to have Kate Beckinsale serve me orange juice and perhaps see to "other" needs as well.

Namaste,
Vlad

Well the reason for a better CPU is to have more polyphony in one Kronos ... I don't want start that voice stealing discussion again ... with 9 syntheses I prefer enough polyphony to program my sounds as I want and use them all together! And that is not really possible with the Kronos! Yes I know the super tricks like adjust release settings .... for that I don't pay 3.000 EUR ... and we're talking about a digital machine, too ...

Again:

It's my wish only and I ask here if it is possible to pay for it and perhaps there are some other users, too which think about that! I don't start that always same feature "good or bad" discussion here again, because that's a waste of time here!

And really wake up!:

What do you think the Kronos is? The Kronos IS a PC (Netbook) in a keyboard box or not?????

Did you ever work with modern technique? Do you know what a PC is?

Or are you one of that since years keyboard players again which think because now they have more Ram in their toy, they got a magic machine?

EDIT:
It seems Korg made a very good marketing but ... ??

[michelkeijzers]

MY idea of a luxury Kronos would be to have Kate Beckinsale serve me orange juice and perhaps see to "other" needs as well.

LOL! Now THAT would be luxury And to be honest, I think there's a better chance of that happening than any of the hardware/software suggestions above!

+1

@clipnotic: Ok, as you ask I will end the discussion here.
Btw I DID have some problems with the Kronos ... that's why I made PCG Tools to at least have an workaround for it (like finding out which programs are used by which combis for example).

[clipnotic]

Yes you're right, let's finish that, it has no sense here ... and I don't want to argue!

If it is a luxury wish here to upgrade a netbooks CPU or fan and what I wrote in my first post ... well it seems not only Korg lives in the past, their well-educated users, too!

Be happy with your "Game Changer" like it is - and if it has not enough power ... no problem, buy the second one or a third ... that's much better as thinking about to put a better cpu in it ... only 10.000 EUR ... no problem .. ???

And please keep telling the people that all is fine and works wonderful, so Korg has no reason to change something! That's good and very useful! Let's look how long ...

[jimknopf]

Now come on, clipnotic:
you make a proposal and others don't find it THAT great or probable at the moment, for various reasons. No reason to get nasty.

Nobody said the Kronos project (or it's successor) shouldn't develop, including hardware. It will all happen, just not as immediately as you wish, and some of us just fail to see the urgency. It was ten times more important for everyday music making IMO to get things like user streaming and updates for SF2 import, and see the software develop.

[clipnotic]

Now come on, clipnotic:
you make a proposal and others don't find it THAT great or probable at the moment, for various reasons. No reason to get nasty.

Nobody said the Kronos project (or it's successor) shouldn't develop, including hardware. It will all happen, just not as immediately as you wish.

No I'm not nasty and sorry if it sounded like that!

But it makes me a little bit angry if users bring up the same arguments again and again ... and always they have no problem, bla bla ...

If I read in some other forums, too, the Kronos partly gets very hard criticism because of all that meanwhile known problems! Only some keyboarders hype that machine there, too ...

And that guys should think about, why Korg releases the KronosX so fast after the first version?

And then they should understand, that the Kronos still IS a PC keyboard!

I don't want to bash the Kronos but I don't want to hype it, too!

You won't believe but if you look on my gear list at the bottom, you should see that I liked Korg products, too! So I'm not a Yamaha or Roland Fanboy ...

I spend my time for writing here to bring some new thinking options to the "Game Changer" and to discuss them with niveau. I think that is more useful instead of living in the past and hype that oldschool features again and again what some users and Korg does at the moment!

AND as I said, I don't want to create a criticism thread again ... but a no problem thread is useless, too!

EDIT:
Some people should start to look at the whole market and the present age and Korg should do that, too if they want to sell their Game Changer with a good reputation and not only with a big marketing strategy!

[jimknopf]

No hard feelings, clipnotic, it's all fine.
You just have to live with some disagreement.

The only real problem I would have right now with the Kronos would be faulty hardware. Everything else does not look urgent to me. But mine is working well, upgraded in a good way and, latest since I am aware of the OS2 specs, even good enough to be hyped.

[clipnotic]

Of course, that's what I said:

Different musicians have a different workflow and so, different musicians have different whishes!

But this is a bilateral situation!

Disagreement is fine but please with good and elaborate arguments!

[jimknopf]

The disagreeing arguments in this thread were just as good and elaborate as yours from my view. But I won't argue about that and leave the thread now.

[clipnotic]

Yes that thread started good but then the Joker and no problem crew arrived!

OK perhaps I took something in the wrong pipe here, too! If so, I apologize!

But the last months I read kinda every thread here in that forum ... sometimes I wonder if some users are korg employees or get money for their big hype ...??
(EDIT: the last sentence I didn't mean like it's written here, really, it was a mistake of my bad english and my bad translator!)

[jimknopf]

But the last months I read kinda every thread here in that forum ... sometimes I wonder if some users are korg employees or get money for their big hype ...??

Your last remark is a big step over the red mark, unless proven otherwise.
Now this is really bad style, and I won't ever accept this kind of allegation towards anyone. Bye.