HD-1 Streaming Sample Demo: The Ghost Ship QR

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:46 pm

Awesome, Qui! Look forward to seeing your postings upcoming! Fun stuff!!!

Ron

Amos922 · Post by **Amos922** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:15 am

AMAZING POST!!!! YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING TO LIFE SOME OF THE EXACT TECHNIQUES I WAS VISIONING!!! I OWN A WALDORF BLOFELD AS WELL AS A KRONOS! WITH BEING ABLE TO LOAD WAV ON THE BLOFELD I PLAN TO TRY THESE TECHNIQUES ON BOTH SYNTHS!!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:41 am

Amos922 wrote:AMAZING POST!!!! YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING TO LIFE SOME OF THE EXACT TECHNIQUES I WAS VISIONING!!! I OWN A WALDORF BLOFELD AS WELL AS A KRONOS! WITH BEING ABLE TO LOAD WAV ON THE BLOFELD I PLAN TO TRY THESE TECHNIQUES ON BOTH SYNTHS!!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!

great!

if you run into any problems then don't hesitate to ask. I'm making big progress on these techniques at the moment and i can hardly believe sometimes what is possible. It brings sounds to the next level.

for instance, yesterday i had loaded 2 wavetable cycles from the virus TI in 2 seperate steps. With the XFADE parameter and a short xfade i've created some kind of interpolation between the two cyles and did some experimental stuff with high frequency common step sequencers on this sound.

I've was creating sounds for the dance set with this technique and it sounded incredible. Normally the Kronos has a smooth korg flavour over the sound, but this time it screamed like a big monkey, it was absolutely great to hear that you can change the sound flavour this drasticly by adjusting your programming techniques.

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:08 pm

QuiRobinez wrote:Normally the Kronos has a smooth korg flavour over the sound, but this time it screamed like a big monkey,

Awesome! That is what I love about Wavetable synthesis! Its so different than static PCM based digital synthesis. Its these very nuances which evoke these 'screaming monkey's' (I Love that!) which lay inside of the morphings of modulated wavetable(s) which is so exciting. Wavetable synthesis is essentially a dynamic digital *waveshaper*. Sort of: digital PWM without the limitations of square waves...but rather working with wild and abstract waves of any nature. Pretty much every other form of PCM synthesis is essentially static (except perhaps Granular synthesis). But when you morph multiples of abstract waves together, and slowly modulate the interpolation, there lays waveshapes and harmonics which will surprise and delight you. When you then put all of this under conventional modulation and motion in a synth patch....the amount of movement and variation can simply be stunning.

The Kronos stands high right now as a modern hardware wavetable synthesizer with user editable wavetables (SSD streaming!!!). Its something truly impressive!

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:58 am

RonF wrote:Wavetable synthesis is essentially a dynamic digital *waveshaper*. Sort of: digital PWM without the limitations of square waves...but rather working with wild and abstract waves of any nature. Pretty much every other form of PCM synthesis is essentially static (except perhaps Granular synthesis). But when you morph multiples of abstract waves together, and slowly modulate the interpolation, there lays waveshapes and harmonics which will surprise and delight you. When you then put all of this under conventional modulation and motion in a synth patch....the amount of movement and variation can simply be stunning.

totally agree, and you can even take it to the next level. This weekend i've created 4 wavesequences all synced to a different tempo (1th, 4th, 8th and 16th). Those 4 wavesequences were designed to work with eachother (by carefully selection of the chosen waves).

Now what i did was make a mixture of rythm based and crossfading (with different tempos in the wave sequences) per wave sequence. Then i created a HD1 program where all 4 wave sequences runs at the same time and complete eachother (by using the Layer function in the HD1 engine).

The rythms and motions you can create this way are fantastic. Normally you hear a more or less 'predictible' rythm pattern or motion pattern. But by combining rythm and crossfading in different time signatures you get sounds that are really impressive.

Then i got really experimental and created a combi where i routed the HD1 program wave sequences through the engine of the Mod-7 and did some FM experiments with them.

This goes way beyond the possibilities from the traditional Wavetable Synths. I love the fact that you can combine all those different engines and possibilities to create new sounds.

I have to admit that it's quite hard to do, you have to know your way around the Kronos and some of the sound design theory of the different Synth Engines. But I have the Kronos for about a year now, and still i believe i'm a beginner when discovering new things every day. There isn't a synth in my studio that has this same impact on me.

the word gamechanger is perfectly chosen when it comes to synth sound design.

vinylwizard · Post by **vinylwizard** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:40 am

Hey guys!

Thought I’d post to join in the party! I’ve had my Kronos less than a week but I bought it for it’s immense synthesis capabilities.

I must say I think a lot of people overlook it because it’s labelled ‘music production workstation’. Workstations conjure up images of orchestral samples/pianos and cheesy in-built drum beats and little else! Yes, Kronos has these (although they are of impeccable quality not cheesy!) but the sound design/synth possibilities are almost endless.

My kronos is actually replacing my virus ti (and an effects rack and a sampler) and when considered is a bargain for the price. I don’t know of a hardware synth that offers intensive VA synths (al1, ms20 and polysix), a fully featured dx7/fm synth on steroids and a hugely possible sample mangling synth for less than £2500! And then of course you get all the regular workstation bits thrown in with the possibility of creating wildly complex patches!

This discussion on wavetables epitomises the potential of the Kronos and I look forward to experimenting with you guys about some of the synth aspects of this beauty! This and a cwejman S1 analogue semi modular are now my only synths (bar a x0xb0x for when I want some acid!) and I really don’t feel I’ll need any more synths as this kronos covers all aspects!

Anyway keep up the good work – looking forward to digging in and exploring with you guys! I’ve got an awful lot to learn but this feels like a synth that rewards digging and what a lovely way to explore it with that huge colour touchscreen and the ribbon/joysticks!

Cheers
Geoff

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:58 am

vinylwizard wrote:Thought I’d post to join in the party! I’ve had my Kronos less than a week but I bought it for it’s immense synthesis capabilities.

Welcome! If you got any questions during your long path of discovery don't hesitate to ask.

I must say I think a lot of people overlook it because it’s labelled ‘music production workstation’. Workstations conjure up images of orchestral samples/pianos and cheesy in-built drum beats and little else! Yes, Kronos has these (although they are of impeccable quality not cheesy!) but the sound design/synth possibilities are almost endless.

Yes, i think you are right, that's also because almost every demonstration online uses the piano or EP and has the standard workstation demo's (rock).

Especially the electronical sound part of the Kronos is not really known by people. That's why i'm focussing more on this part then on other parts at the moment. Currently almost all my demo's are ambient sounds. In october / november this is going to stop and my demo's will be focussing on the Dance / Modern / Today sounds area.

My kronos is actually replacing my virus ti (and an effects rack and a sampler) and when considered is a bargain for the price. I don’t know of a hardware synth that offers intensive VA synths (al1, ms20 and polysix), a fully featured dx7/fm synth on steroids and a hugely possible sample mangling synth for less than £2500! And then of course you get all the regular workstation bits thrown in with the possibility of creating wildly complex patches!

Well, i still think the Virus TI is an exceptional synth in it's own area. I've created sounds on the TI in an ambient bank that aren't possible on the Kronos. For those sounds i've used the Granular and Formant possibilities of the TI.

However a lot of sounds i could 'reproduce' in the AL-1 engine. Those sounds came really close to the Virus TI sounds. The granular and Formant sounds i'm going to recreate by creating sample refills for the Kronos. Where these samples will be the source of the new sounds i'm going to create. I have an unrelease Ambient soundset for the Virus TI that is perfect for creating a granular type of set.

This discussion on wavetables epitomises the potential of the Kronos and I look forward to experimenting with you guys about some of the synth aspects of this beauty! This and a cwejman S1 analogue semi modular are now my only synths (bar a x0xb0x for when I want some acid!) and I really don’t feel I’ll need any more synths as this kronos covers all aspects!

Anyway keep up the good work – looking forward to digging in and exploring with you guys! I’ve got an awful lot to learn but this feels like a synth that rewards digging and what a lovely way to explore it with that huge colour touchscreen and the ribbon/joysticks!

feel free to chime in whenever you want

, the more discussions about this the more we learn from eachother.

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:59 pm

Thank for sharing Qui, the samples sound wonderful and the performance is inspiring. (and thank RonF for great comments and questions).

I found this thread to be very inspiring. It stirred both the creative/artistic side and the nerd in me. This type of content is why I come to this forum

Great reading (and listening)

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:07 am

RonF wrote:Ok.....here's a solution I put together tonight.....

Using an HD-1 program.

Set LFO1 and LFO2 to MIDI/Tempo sync mode. For each LFO, adjust the "Times" parameter (a tempo divisor) to the clock rates that you wish for each of the two "beats" you will alternate between, using the Joystick. Of course select an appropriate wave shape for each LFO that works for your artistic expression. A square wave might be appropriate. Using different shapes in each LFO will yield different styles of clock pulses (or "beats").

Now, on the OSC (1 or 2, or both) Pitch page, in the "LFO1/2" block, set the Intensity of LFO1 to a setting which modulates a steady beat which will play when a key is depressed. In my example I set it to +12.00. So now, the "beat", which is midi synced based on the tempo divisor and shape of LFO 1, causes the pitch of the Oscillator to pulse, accordingly, when I press a key on the keyboard.

Now, in the same "LFO 1/2" block, set the AMS controller to JS-Y for LFO2, and set an appropriate intensity which modulates a steady beat (a different beat now, based on the midi synced tempo divisor of LFO 2) when the Joystick is pulled downward. In my very simple example, I set it to +12.00 as well.

Now....when I play a chord on the keyboard, I hear a beat, based on LFO 1 and its divisor and waveshape. When I pull the joystick downwards, I hear another beat, based on LFO 2 and its divisor and waveshape.

This example effectuates the "beats" by modulating the "pitch" based on a divisor of the Kronos master clock (rather than the frequency of an LFO). The same concept could be used to modulate the filter(s) too, for another form of pulses/beats. It could also be done to envelopes/amplitude for yet another type of pulse/beats. Or yet further....could be done to all three at the same time.

If you apply the same theories to EXi patches......you can employ the step sequencers similarly, as pseudo LFO's, with finer control. But in most cases you are only provided with two AMS ports for the relevant parameter blocks....so alternating between *two* "beats" seems the fundamental limitation. (of course with Karma help you could get up to 4 beats going...but that's another topic all together).

Pretty cool in practice. There are likely other ways (I'm still thinking about the Step Sequencer "Start Step" parameter, and also thinking about LFO and Env reset parameters)....but this solution is pretty straight forward (read: easy), and works a charm. Let me know your thoughts!

Had some time this weekend to actually try this solution and you were right, it worked like a charm

thanks for this solution

Mike-pol · Post by **Mike-pol** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:22 am

Hello
Great sound, Qui !!!
Seems that you are making the sounds, which were always in my mind too

I wonder what would I really need to be able to creat such sounds like The Ghost Ship QR:)
Regards
Mike

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:37 am

Mike-pol wrote:Hello
Great sound, Qui !!!
Seems that you are making the sounds, which were always in my mind too
I wonder what would I really need to be able to creat such sounds like The Ghost Ship QR:)
Regards
Mike

the ghost ship sound relies on the combination of wave sequences and your own samples.

If you watch tutorial 9 you will have an idea how to create Xfaded wave sequences. Now the sample setup can be found in tutorial 4.

When you use the samples you've created within a wave sequence you can create a much different sound then the standard Korg Sample library. This is the best part of OS v2.0.2, because you can stream your own sample libraries you can create sample refills for your 'ROM' library.

This ghost sound uses 1 default wave sequence (the vocal) and one wave sequence i created with the Virus TI samples of a patch i created. Then the next part is to use a lot of AMS sources to bring the sound alive and then you will have something like this.

It's not that hard to create when you've watched my tutorials, the hard part is to have an idea which kind of sound you want to create.

I'm glad you liked it.

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:11 pm

QuiRobinez wrote: Had some time this weekend to actually try this solution and you were right, it worked like a charm

thanks for this solution

Excellent! Happy to assist, Qui!

kronos_timmmy · Post by **kronos_timmmy** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:44 am

Hi Qui,
hi RonF,

I hope that I speak for the most Forum-members:
We all love your sounds (especially your previously released free sets!) and are expecting your webshop at the end of the year.

Keep on exploring the Kronos!

I wish I had the time to do so...

Great thread of you - thanks.

Regards
Tim

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:34 am

i've got some emails if this sound is also for sale. Now since this sound is based on samples which are used in a wavesequences this isn't in any of the current soundsets.

However, because i want to thank everyone for their support and remarks about my website i decided to create a free sound package for this sound. So this sound will be available very soon in the Free sounds section.

But before i upload it i need a volunteer with not much experience loading sample libary sets to test the package out for me, so that i know that the instructions to load it are correct.

So can somebody help me out with this test?

Niblit · Post by **Niblit** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:25 pm

QuiRobinez wrote:i've got some emails if this sound is also for sale. Now since this sound is based on samples which are used in a wavesequences this isn't in any of the current soundsets.

However, because i want to thank everyone for their support and remarks about my website i decided to create a free sound package for this sound. So this sound will be available very soon in the Free sounds section.

But before i upload it i need a volunteer with not much experience loading sample libary sets to test the package out for me, so that i know that the instructions to load it are correct.

So can somebody help me out with this test?

It seems you have been waiting all day for a reply...
I will gladly test your Ghost-Ship demo.

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