All advice greatly appreciated - it's a great machine but a steep learning curve
Newbie question re setting up splits
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Newbie question re setting up splits
I've just purchased a Kronos 88 in an attempt to use a single keyboard live. I have setup a few simple splits in Combi mode ie Piano/Brass etc. but all of the effects from the original programmes seem to disappear making some sounds very thin? Am I missing a trick here or do I have to go into each timbre and setup effects individually?
All advice greatly appreciated - it's a great machine but a steep learning curve
All advice greatly appreciated - it's a great machine but a steep learning curve
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SanderXpander
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Don't worry, IFX routing is an initial stumbling block for many people. Fortunately the system is quite logical once you get your head around it. Basically the Kronos has 12IFX "slots" and 2 MFX and 2 TFX. That first group is most important. You can kind of think of them as 12 guitar stomp boxes. Switching from single program mode to combination mode doesn't suddenly get you more stomp boxes. So you'll sometimes have to reorganize things if you combine programs that use a lot of IFX.
But for a shortcut, if you're using just a few programs per combi, you can do the following;
1. In program mode, select sound number one that you'd like to have
2. Switch to combi mode
3. Select "copy from program" from the utility drop down menu. You'll notice your program is already selected. Tick ALL the boxes (Karma, MFX, IFX, etc) and press ok. Now you have an exact copy of the program you were just playing.
4. Go back to program mode and find the next program you'd like to use
5. Go back to combi mode again and again select copy from program. But this time, tick the box that says "copy all IFX used". Select timbre 2 as destination.
6. Set up the keyzones and pitches how you want them. You now have an almost exact copy of your original two programs.
The reason for step five is simple; if you were to copy ALL IFX again, you would overwrite the IFX you selected with the first program. By selecting "all used" the Kronos looks which IFX are actually on in the program and intelligently copies those and routes the timbre accordingly. The difference in sound you may be left with has to do with the MFX; there are only two, in both combi and program. So no real space to get them from both programs. But generally one will be reverb so you can use that on both timbres. If there's an important one missing on a specific timbre, considering adding it to that timbre's IFX chain.
But for a shortcut, if you're using just a few programs per combi, you can do the following;
1. In program mode, select sound number one that you'd like to have
2. Switch to combi mode
3. Select "copy from program" from the utility drop down menu. You'll notice your program is already selected. Tick ALL the boxes (Karma, MFX, IFX, etc) and press ok. Now you have an exact copy of the program you were just playing.
4. Go back to program mode and find the next program you'd like to use
5. Go back to combi mode again and again select copy from program. But this time, tick the box that says "copy all IFX used". Select timbre 2 as destination.
6. Set up the keyzones and pitches how you want them. You now have an almost exact copy of your original two programs.
The reason for step five is simple; if you were to copy ALL IFX again, you would overwrite the IFX you selected with the first program. By selecting "all used" the Kronos looks which IFX are actually on in the program and intelligently copies those and routes the timbre accordingly. The difference in sound you may be left with has to do with the MFX; there are only two, in both combi and program. So no real space to get them from both programs. But generally one will be reverb so you can use that on both timbres. If there's an important one missing on a specific timbre, considering adding it to that timbre's IFX chain.
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NJkeysman888
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That is an Excellent explanation. Thank you VERY much! I have been struggling with this.
Does this method mean that the Combi is no longer dependent on the original Programs? Meaning, if the original program is changed, it will not affect the corresponding Timbre in the Combi?
Or are they still connected?
Thank you again.
Does this method mean that the Combi is no longer dependent on the original Programs? Meaning, if the original program is changed, it will not affect the corresponding Timbre in the Combi?
Or are they still connected?
Thank you again.
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SanderXpander
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You can change the IFX and MFX of a program without affecting its sound in the combi, sure. Although of course if you then copy it with those FX to a new combi it will use the altered FX. All other parameters, such as envelopes, filters, LFOs, will affect the sound in the combi. It's best to copy the sound to an empty location first in that case.
However, if you want to change the program's sound in a few ways inside your combi while not affecting the original program, you can do so within the tone adjust page. You can assign many parameters to knobs, sliders and switches and edit the sound that way. Opposite to the "real time controls", the Kronos will actually save these changes within the combi, permanently altering the sound without affecting the original program.
Another tip (thanks to Qui Robinez) for copying IFX; very often the copied program's IFX will include a stereo limiter (which was on the program's drum track, not the program itself). If you copy a few programs, these (unused!) limiters can suck up empty slots pretty quickly. For this reason, it's still useful to have a look at the IFX routings in the IFX pages. The routing page will show you where each timbre is going initially. Observe the lines and you can see whether multiple IFX are chained and after which IFX the sound is continuing on to the MFX/outputs. Chances are you'll see a few unused IFX there. Sometimes in the IFX overview page you also see IFX that are switched off by default. You can delete the ones you don't need via the utility dropdown menu in that page, then the Kronos will automatically delete any "gaps" and reroute the timbres for you.
However, if you want to change the program's sound in a few ways inside your combi while not affecting the original program, you can do so within the tone adjust page. You can assign many parameters to knobs, sliders and switches and edit the sound that way. Opposite to the "real time controls", the Kronos will actually save these changes within the combi, permanently altering the sound without affecting the original program.
Another tip (thanks to Qui Robinez) for copying IFX; very often the copied program's IFX will include a stereo limiter (which was on the program's drum track, not the program itself). If you copy a few programs, these (unused!) limiters can suck up empty slots pretty quickly. For this reason, it's still useful to have a look at the IFX routings in the IFX pages. The routing page will show you where each timbre is going initially. Observe the lines and you can see whether multiple IFX are chained and after which IFX the sound is continuing on to the MFX/outputs. Chances are you'll see a few unused IFX there. Sometimes in the IFX overview page you also see IFX that are switched off by default. You can delete the ones you don't need via the utility dropdown menu in that page, then the Kronos will automatically delete any "gaps" and reroute the timbres for you.
Last edited by SanderXpander on Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
+1 !
Sander, thank you for your very clear explanation!
Sander, thank you for your very clear explanation!
SanderXpander wrote:Don't worry, IFX routing is an initial stumbling block for many people. Fortunately the system is quite logical once you get your head around it. Basically the Kronos has 12IFX "slots" and 2 MFX and 2 TFX. That first group is most important. You can kind of think of them as 12 guitar stomp boxes. Switching from single program mode to combination mode doesn't suddenly get you more stomp boxes. So you'll sometimes have to reorganize things if you combine programs that use a lot of IFX.
But for a shortcut, if you're using just a few programs per combi, you can do the following;
1. In program mode, select sound number one that you'd like to have
2. Switch to combi mode
3. Select "copy from program" from the utility drop down menu. You'll notice your program is already selected. Tick ALL the boxes (Karma, MFX, IFX, etc) and press ok. Now you have an exact copy of the program you were just playing.
4. Go back to program mode and find the next program you'd like to use
5. Go back to combi mode again and again select copy from program. But this time, tick the box that says "copy all IFX used". Select timbre 2 as destination.
6. Set up the keyzones and pitches how you want them. You now have an almost exact copy of your original two programs.
The reason for step five is simple; if you were to copy ALL IFX again, you would overwrite the IFX you selected with the first program. By selecting "all used" the Kronos looks which IFX are actually on in the program and intelligently copies those and routes the timbre accordingly. The difference in sound you may be left with has to do with the MFX; there are only two, in both combi and program. So no real space to get them from both programs. But generally one will be reverb so you can use that on both timbres. If there's an important one missing on a specific timbre, considering adding it to that timbre's IFX chain.