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Ok, that was surpringly and ridiculously quick and easy. Just a heads up for whoever hasn't tried this yet. Give it a go, it rocks.

? More details please.

I converted a VSTi sound to soundfont using ESC, and loaded it into the Kronos. Figuring out the program and doing a few test runs took me like 25 mins. After that, converting a random VST sound to samples and loading it in the Kronos takes like 5 minutes. It really is that easy and convenient. I knew about it but was still surprised. Because of Kronos' sample streaming you really don't have to worry about loop points very much, you just get the whole decay of the sound, or a very long sustained sample. Unless you load a ton of sounds I suppose.

There's definitely the possibility to get a more trimmed sample or even to get the loop points correct so you could retweak the envelopes on the Kronos. But for needing the occasional exact copy of a VST sound it's brilliant.

Have you seen this?

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... af46548910

I wonder how easy it would be for a sample of a piano....something like native instruments acoustic piano (for example)

apex wrote: I wonder how easy it would be for a sample of a piano....something like native instruments acoustic piano (for example)

Very easy.
For any sound that decays naturally, set the sample length time in ESC to 50 seconds.

ESC will not record silence. Soon as silence is detected ( the decaying sound drops below a certain dB level), it will stop sampling the current note and move onto the next. So it's not going to record for 50 seconds for every note.


Regards
Sharp.

I personally don't think I'd want 50 seconds of ANY sounds... what sound take 50 seconds to completely make it's mark? lol

even Kronos pianos decay faster than that... or am I wrong?

Yeah I would say it's definitely the easiest for a sound with a natural decay, since there are no issues with loop points at all - just get the whole sample. Probably takes 5 to 10 mins depending on how many velocity layers and keyzones you'd want.
And really only that long simply because it'd take the computer a while to extract that many samples (8 velocity layers I guess, for HD1) and copy the big sf2 file on a usb stick.

Hi,

Can ESC handle velocity layers?. And if so, a brief explanation would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Toxi.

Yes. Up to 128, though Kronos only usefully supports eight. There's really not that much to explain. Just load your VST in the "import" menu, set the desired keys and velocity splits and the sampling time (though as Sharp said, just use 50sec for naturally decaying sounds). Then click sample. Export as SF2. The Kronos reads that

apex wrote:I personally don't think I'd want 50 seconds of ANY sounds... what sound take 50 seconds to completely make it's mark? lol

even Kronos pianos decay faster than that... or am I wrong?

No, sounds like you missed the understanding behind the 50 seconds setting.

If you do what I said and set its sample length time to 50 seconds for sounds that have a natural decay, the program will ""NOT"" sample the note for 50 seconds. The second the natural decay fades below a certain dB, the program will stop recording that note and move on the next note. So for the likes of a piano, by the time ESC gets to the top notes, even with it set to 50 seconds, it will in reality be only sampling a few seconds of each note as they decay quickly.

So the entire process remains automated and there is no waste of memory.

Regards
Sharp.

Sharp doesn't want 50 seconds either: he just sets a value which guarantees that no looping will ever occur, and leaves the real value to ESC automation.

This is simply a working solution, not more and not less.

Guys, Apex gets it. He is just l remarking that 50 seconds is a really long maximum time. For what sound would you ever want the sample to be 50 seconds long? Or, in his words, "what sound takes 50 seconds to completely make its mark?"

SanderXpander wrote: "what sound takes 50 seconds to completely make its mark?"

I can find many...an example:
Get some real Guitar, preamp it and then under distortion and hit a chord, you will see how long it takes...maybe not 50 but 45.
Mathematically would probably take even more since computers and DAWs hear MORE release then we can, it will be drawn but you cannot hear it.

A real piano sustains longer than guitar.. I counted (with A0 note), and it's like 2 minutes.. damn..