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It's 2013 and I buy a "professional workstation" with a built in audio interface, "all you'll ever need" and I have to use ASIO4All to use it at a playable latency?!!

Even Behringer have ASIO drivers!!

Shocked is not the word.

So I am assuming that Motif XF and Fantom G offers ASIO drivers? well just googled that Fantom G does offer ASIO don't kow about Motif

Yep the Motif XF uses the same ASIO drivers as the XS which I'm currently using as the audio iterface for my stage setup.

I was hoping to replace the Motif with the Kronos for live use but no dice.

Should have done more research before purchase instead of believing the advertising I suppose.

Actually it's really easy to use ASIO4all for computer playback, not to mention it's also quite possible to sample most sounds you might need and play them directly from the Kronos. Not the same thing, I know, but quite usable.

I'm not a DAW guy, so I could be way off the mark on this one, but here goes.....

Why is this a KORG problem and not a problem with your PC.

Far as I was aware, musicians must use a sound card “for musicians” and not some generic one that comes embedded onto your motherboard because generic cards generally have no ASIO support, where ones for Musicians all do.

So, by that I assume, if you have a proper sound card for musicians, you have ASIO on anything you connect to it.

If you don't, and all you have a generic sound card, well, your trying to do something with your sound card it was never intended for.

ASIO4ALL is a simple software solution for sound cards that have no ASIO. It solves your sound card problem, and has nothing to do with your instrument.

So the problem is your sound card. Well... that's my limited understanding of DAW's and Sound Cards anyway.

Regards
Sharp.

Sharp wrote:I'm not a DAW guy, so I could be way off the mark on this one, but here goes.....

I have to agree, in a recording setup a decent soundcard is a must, I have TC Electronic Impact Twin and I am quite happy with the recording results along with Windows drivers..I am using windows 7 64bit

Sharp wrote:I'm not a DAW guy, so I could be way off the mark on this one, but here goes.....

Why is this a KORG problem and not a problem with your PC.

Far as I was aware, musicians must use a sound card “for musicians” and not some generic one that comes embedded onto your motherboard because generic cards generally have no ASIO support, where ones for Musicians all do.

So, by that I assume, if you have a proper sound card for musicians, you have ASIO on anything you connect to it.

If you don't, and all you have a generic sound card, well, your trying to do something with your sound card it was never intended for.

ASIO4ALL is a simple software solution for sound cards that have no ASIO. It solves your sound card problem, and has nothing to do with your instrument.

So the problem is your sound card. Well... that's my limited understanding of DAW's and Sound Cards anyway.

Regards
Sharp.

While I do agree with you in principle, the Kronos WAS advertised (at least in the beginning) as having the capability of being used as an "audio interface." From my understanding, this works great on a Mac. On a Windows PC however, the lack of an ASIO driver forces the user to use WDM drivers, which do not provide low enough latency to really do what almost any other "audio interface" would (multitrack recording, VST output, etc...).

In a bit of an ironic twist, I've been using my pair of Saffire Pro40s as my recording interface, but have actually been using the Kronos for my "regular" soundcard - routing the audio for browser noises, system sounds, etc...

You could always use the WASAPI drivers that are native to Windows 7...

Sharp wrote:I'm not a DAW guy, so I could be way off the mark on this one, but here goes.....

Why is this a KORG problem and not a problem with your PC.

Far as I was aware, musicians must use a sound card “for musicians” and not some generic one that comes embedded onto your motherboard because generic cards generally have no ASIO support, where ones for Musicians all do.

So, by that I assume, if you have a proper sound card for musicians, you have ASIO on anything you connect to it.

If you don't, and all you have a generic sound card, well, your trying to do something with your sound card it was never intended for.

ASIO4ALL is a simple software solution for sound cards that have no ASIO. It solves your sound card problem, and has nothing to do with your instrument.

So the problem is your sound card. Well... that's my limited understanding of DAW's and Sound Cards anyway.

Regards
Sharp.

I'm with Jim on this one. The Kronos has all the hardware on board and was supposed to be usable as an audio interface. That means that someone who doesn't yet have a pro-grade soundcard should be able to use the Kronos for that purpose. It has digital ins and outs, two switchable mic/line inputs and no less than 8 analog outs (though some are mirrored or otherwise limited). More than many people need. The lack of a proprietary ASIO driver cripples that hardware in a pro-sumer studio. For a €3000+ board, that's quite a letdown.

ASIO4ALL works reasonably well on the Kronos (thankfully) but as it is basically a WDM wrapper it will never achieve the same performance as a native ASIO driver written by the developer, nor does it allow you really to make settings or adjustments appropriate to your configuration like a proprietary control panel might.

SanderXpander wrote:
I'm with Jim on this one. The Kronos has all the hardware on board and was supposed to be usable as an audio interface. That means that someone who doesn't yet have a pro-grade soundcard should be able to use the Kronos for that purpose. It has digital ins and outs, two switchable mic/line inputs and no less than 8 analog outs (though some are mirrored or otherwise limited). More than many people need. The lack of a proprietary ASIO driver cripples that hardware in a pro-sumer studio.
For a €3000+ board, that's quite a letdown.

Indeed, I fully agree to that observation.

As an example, Yamaha top models have ASiO drivers, and even more, the economic MOX Music Production Synthesyzers Series do act as a 4 channel internal audio interface, and has its own propietary ASIO drivers, for 1/3 of what the Kornos cost and do.

Just my 0,2 cents

I too am a little dissapointed but I'm not sure with who. I have a I7 laptop, runnin win 7 using Sonar X1 64 bit. Using a Presonus firepod pro interface and Kronos. Using ASIO and sonar will not recognize the kronos audio. Downloaded the lates drivers and still nothing. So I run audio cables into the firepod and do that way. Works fine but it would be nice to run all through the USB. If anyone has a simular setup and may have a solution, please pass it along. Many thanks!

your still using ASIO drivers? Really!

On my mac, I get to be the driver.

what is win 7? does not sound like a win if it is not working.

That was quite an inane comment there.


As somebody already mentioned, WASAPI is the key. A lot of the time it provides better performance than ASIO (however this is hardware dependent).

Thanks Evil Dragon...I did post that, but but got no comment.

Perhaps people don't yet realise it is inbuilt into the Windows OS, and can give really tight latencies. The equivalent of ASIO

It is a similar technology to the ASIO in that it bypasses the OS calls on the system, in particular audio streams and lets an app deall directly with the processor.

WASAPI, or Windows Audio Session Application Programming Interface was great inclusion in the Windows OS...

ASIO4All is a handy little app but still sits on top of the WDM drivers and is in my view really only for emergency use.

Try it (WASAPI) you might be surprised...

I tried Wasapi and sonar is giving me error messages saying the Line Kronos drivers not found etc. and will not output to my Firepod main out. So all saved projects will not play. Tried to change setting in preferances but nothing working. I must be doing something work but i can't seem to find out what. any other suggestions?
Thanks again