Anyone interested in an Editor "buy group"

[miden]

And yet if I start a new thread with the same subject or theme (as per his advice) then that WOULD be breaking the rules....so it would need to be closed just as the one I referenced was.

No I think it is just some folks who cannot help themselves when it comes to pushing opinions on others who complained.

Thing is these guys should well know by now, that a company/corporation will NOT change anything they do not want to change.PERIOD

So the best course of action is through reasoned negotiation to see exactly what can be achieved.

No-one ever got much by insulting a company or person, or continually complaining...the software is what it is, the Kronos is what it is.

Oh I am all for wishlists and such, and sometimes things do happen....but wishlists are not invective directed at folks who are only trying to help. The Soundquest guy is a case in point I think.

For him to be lambasted with opinion that has already been WELL canvassed on many other threads rehashed on what was to be a positive thread to see what could be done....well, imo, was just not necessary and counter-productive.

I asked James to close this one so we could start a new thread with NONE of that.

I was also going to repost the comments from SQ, as they were, I thought, a genuine attempt by them to engage, as far as they could company policy wise.

We could then progress the discussion further and maybe get an outcome.

Now....well I could not be bothered any more really!

Anyhoo, thanks Nedim.

[Ojustaboo]

And yet if I start a new thread with the same subject or theme (as per his advice) then that WOULD be breaking the rules....so it would need to be closed just as the one I referenced was.

At the top of the Kronos section is a sticky called "Read this before Posting"

The very first paragraph of that states

All issues relating to the RH3 keybed note cutting off can be read here.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=65292
All information on the solution / fix by KORG is limited to discussion in this thread here.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=68811


All issues relating to fan noise levels are restricted to this thread.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=65348

I suspect that is why Sharp decided to close the other thread.


Anyway, what you are asking is for you to be able post your opinions, you to be able to post soundquests opinions but we cant post ours?

If you or anyone else starts a thread trying to get people to buy something that I or others think is a complete rip off, we have the right to politely voice our opinions and even if you started 50 threads, if I thought you were trying to get people to buy something that is a rip off, I would rightly say so on every one of them.

The thread hadn't gone off topic, you asked if people were interested and people told you why they weren't

The thread was raising good points, it was getting discussion going, that is what forums are for. It's not so you can have your opinion and no one else can disagree with you.

If every time the op didn't like some of the comments, they requested a thread was locked, almost every thread on the forum would be locked, I personally am glad Sharp changed his mind.

Whether people contacted him or not, I don't know, but what he said is right, no rules have been broken and who are you (and who am I) to get any thread locked where active conversation is politely taking place because we personally don't like it?

You are complaining about complainers, yet you are the one doing the most complaining in this thread, others have simply stated why they think Soundquest needs to rethink the way it does things.

Thing is these guys should well know by now, that a company/corporation will NOT change anything they do not want to change.PERIOD

So the best course of action is through reasoned negotiation to see exactly what can be achieved.

If everyone permanently thought like that, we would still have slavery etc, It's only because people refuse to be taken advantage off, people stick up for themselves and others that things do change, no matter how slowly.

Simply giving up and thinking it will always be like this does no one any good at all.

If a company sells a load of their products they will be happy, if they don't, they will have to re-think, that's simple logic. You encouraging people to give in and buy is not going to help them re-think.

And why do you think they are going to give you a big discount, if they did that, they might as well just lower the price for everyone.

No-one ever got much by insulting a company or person, or continually complaining...the software is what it is, the Kronos is what it is.

Insulting individual people no, complaining about bad service or bad products whether that due to price or whatever, then yes, many many many people do get a lot out of complaining when something needs complaining about.

For example, I was told in no uncertain terms by a guy at the store I got my Kronos from that the best thing I personally did was write my complaint thread about my original Kronos and what I went thorough on here. He said that it was that thread that got me my free upgrade to my X version.

I asked James to close this one so we could start a new thread with NONE of that.

If you had started a thread and changed your mind after one or two replies and it wasn't a big discussion, I cant see anyone having a problem with that, but who are you to close a thread that has 4 pages of discussion on it just because you don't like what is said?

We could then progress the discussion further and maybe get an outcome.

You mean you could discuss only those bits YOU want discussed and new Kronos owners who might not have read the editor threads and not aware of its limitations or the rip off the 64 bit version is, shouldn't be told just so that you might be able to get a slightly better deal on your editor purchase?

[BasariStudios]

I think i misunderstood this thread completely...as JustABoo said...
why would they give Discount on a Group?
So if Dennis and other 9 people paid 150$ each for it and tomorrow me and
JustABoo decided to buy on our own we will pay 299$?
WTH is the point?

And this thread has not justified reason to be closed...no one offended anybody,
there is still not a single rule broken nor it is out of topic...no matter how HOT
it is at this point, it still should not be closed.

[Sharp]

why would they give Discount on a Group?

Same as any Sale I guess. It influences people to spend money when they might not necessarily have done so if there was no promotion. It's actually very common for online Companies to run group buy schemes. I got some great items myself in the past through group buys.

It's also a sneaky way to get away with spamming forums....lol.

Regards
Sharp.

[miden]

......................And this thread has not justified reason to be closed...no one offended anybody,
there is still not a single rule broken nor it is out of topic...no matter how HOT
it is at this point, it still should not be closed.

Sorry Nedim you have totally misunderstood this as well...I only requested it closed so that a new thread could pertain more DIRECTLY to the OP...not because of the opinions, more that they were clogging up what was a very simple idea.

There were no calls for opinions or conjecture in the OP, all it asked was there anyone interested in setting up a group buy...not for a million and one reasons why no-one should NOT buy it...nor did it ask for principled stands, or philosophical debate.

A simple question with simple responses...

Sorry to differ with you ( you know I think your are a smart guy and very clever already so nothing personal here okay) but on this I do disagree.

Dennis

[Sharp]

I suspect that is why Sharp decided to close the other thread.

Correct.

Regards
Sharp.

[miden]

Right so what I should have stated at the top that was:

" All complaints, principled differences, and philosophical issues, which have already been canvassed in many other threads are NOT to be posted here"

I will try to remember that...not that I will ever try again.

[Sharp]

Hi Dennis.
I strongly suggest that you start a new thread and in your first post, put in a link to this thread for those wanting further open discussion, and ask for people to respect this, and only use the new thread to show their interest in joining the group buy.

That way it should benefit everyone. I think people will respect that.

Regards
James

[Sharp]

Right so what I should have stated at the top that was:

" All complaints, principled differences, and philosophical issues, which have already been canvassed in many other threads are NOT to be posted here"

I will try to remember that...not that I will ever try again.

I think it's a case of $hit happens for this one as the Editor was a hot topic for so so sooooo long here.

I think people will respect your wishes if you post another thread based on the idea in my previous post.

Regards
James

[miden]

I am too annoyed at the moment to even consider it tbh James, and it seems quite clear that most simply want to complain.

Although your point is taken.

In any case from the small number of interested people (4) I now think this is a non-starter

Dennis

[Ojustaboo]

I am too annoyed at the moment to even consider it tbh James, and it seems quite clear that most simply want to complain.

Although your point is taken.

In any case from the small number of interested people (4) I now think this is a non-starter

Dennis

I don't want to fall out with you over this, I just feel very strongly about not being able to use the editor in my DAW.

I understand why your frustrated with us, its not that we like to complain, its more what a raw/sore topic the editor is.

I was a little annoyed when I wrote my previous post as I hate censorship and it seemed a bit like it to me, I apologise if I offended you.

I'm more than happy to keep out of another thread like Sharp suggested.

If you manage to get the price down to $50 I'll even join your pool

Best

Joe

[miden]

Thanks Joe,

I appreciate the comment

Look, to be honest I am probably as pissed as you are over this editor...I bought this K with the PC editor as one of the main considerations as the screen fonts are so small and I have "the old age fuzzys" meaning I need glasses fro reading any text within 1-2 feet, and the fonts on the K for editing work are pretty tiny as you know.

When I got the K, d/l the editor and then tried to run in on 64bit Sonar it wouldn't, THEN when I investigated here I found it was NOT 64 bit...

No where on the Korg site did I notice the words 32bit only on the software section re the Editor...so I was quite cranky then...

Then I figured out it would run on a 64 bit system, but using a 32 bit DAW (in my case Sonar Essentials) but that was really only a work-around, that was really a work dead-end.

So then I came up with the idea to start this thread, and try and encourage positive discussion that might tempt SQ into getting involved and maybe offering a solution..

I am with you, I think around $50 is a "nice" figure for us, but maybe just a tad underdone...so in my mind I was figuring $75-100...especially as Korg in their "wisdom" licenced a 32 bit version which is obviously factored in to each K sold...so in essence "we" have already "paid" for the 32 bit version, even though it is "free" from Korg.

Last year I was involved in a project that involved getting various bits of software together, and almost without exception the owners of the software wanted a licence fee per unit sold, and not a one-off payment. I can see no reason why SQ would vary from what I discovered was probably an industry wide practice..

So, yeah I figured $75 (if we were lucky) was terrific, but $100 was live-able based on the above.


In regard to my complaint re you guys stating your opinions etc, I guess I was being too "precious" with the thread...Of course keeping it pristine would have been better, but I should not have insisted ALL comment be removed...

Following the SQ comments about pricing I am now of the view that even if we get 200 people it (the price) will not go much below around $175 for the base version...in my view way too expensive.

If Korg had of allowed some form of screen output to a large screen, well then the editor issues would be moot as far as I am concerned

Again thank you for your post - it did help..

Dennis

[Corgy]

Look, to be honest I am probably as pissed as you are over this editor...I bought this K with the PC editor as one of the main considerations as the screen fonts are so small and I have "the old age fuzzys" meaning I need glasses fro reading any text within 1-2 feet, and the fonts on the K for editing work are pretty tiny as you know.

Dennis

I feel the same as you, because DAW integration was also one of my top requirements. When I compare the editor of my Kronos to the editor of my Virus TI my heart is bleeding. The Kronos is such a great sounding instrument so I live with it and have not regretted it a second. But I am not satisfied how Korg deals with the editor.

I would much appreciate if there would be a 64bit editor at least and a more economical way of operation.

So please maintain the list and I hope it will grow

[jmchiro]

I will definitely pay a reasonable amount for an Kronos editor that works as an AU for 64 bit Logic.

Put me on the list, and thanks for organizing.

[ShaneFF]

Can it be clarified exactly what we do get in the editor if we buy?

Will there be improvement in lag?
will 64bit be supported?