OK - so I wrote to Korg the reply is below. I have decided not to buy this keyboard on the basis that I have a 64 bit studio and I dont buy the bit about it being piano like so you need cardboard padding the keys - this does not apply to my Roland.
Nor do I buy the bit about you can't hear the fan with other devices ON - of course not - depending on the noise of the other devices. I don't believe the fan noise is a show stopper though.
I am sure that it is an excellent keyboard in many respects. There is lots to like too.
Here is my reply from Korg
In answer to your questions:
a) We recommend taking care while transporting the KRONOS with weighted keybeds. The reason for that is the fact that the KRONOS's RH3 keybed was designed to behave as closely to a typical acoustic piano's keybed as possible so it is recommended that the keybed is stored the same as an acoustic piano (horizontally) in order to prevent any issues. The pieces of cardboard which the instrument comes with simply ensure that any movement of the keys is restricted during transport, minimizing any risks.
b) The fan has very minimal noise. I personally have to put my ear next to my KRONOS in order to be able to hear it and that is in my acoustically treated music room. If I switch other devices in my studio ON, the fan is completely unaudible.
c) The KRONOS software editor designed by MIDI Quest is 32-bit only and it does not work well with 64-bit DAWs. Unfortunately I cannot confirm at this stage whether there will be a 64-bit version of the software in the future.
d) The KRONOS has a very large amount of data to load upon start up so it normally takes a couple of minutes to boot up. For most people, this is a non-issue especially considering that many other devices need some time before they can be used (for example, valve amplifiers).
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Glad you got a honest reply.
Sadly reading what you are saying
You aren't buying the Kronos for 2 main reasons.
1) no 64 bit DAW support (and no info on any coming)
2) Spending 3K on a machine and be expected (recommended) to place bits of cardboard in during transportation is completely ridiculous.
I don't blame you in the slightest.
Out of interest, if 64bit DAW support was on its way, would you have decided to let the issue with cardboard inserts pass and still gone ahead with the purchase?
Personally I think the cardboard was recommended after the design had gone to manufacture and they realised there could be a problem, I really don't believe they would have designed a 3K machine with cardboard from the outset, and if they did, well, words fail me.
Korg are you listening? another sale lost.
Sadly reading what you are saying
You aren't buying the Kronos for 2 main reasons.
1) no 64 bit DAW support (and no info on any coming)
2) Spending 3K on a machine and be expected (recommended) to place bits of cardboard in during transportation is completely ridiculous.
I don't blame you in the slightest.
Out of interest, if 64bit DAW support was on its way, would you have decided to let the issue with cardboard inserts pass and still gone ahead with the purchase?
Personally I think the cardboard was recommended after the design had gone to manufacture and they realised there could be a problem, I really don't believe they would have designed a 3K machine with cardboard from the outset, and if they did, well, words fail me.
Korg are you listening? another sale lost.
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GregC
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Given my ownership with the Kronos, cars, more expensive household items etc, taking small precautions or a step involving 15 seconds, to preserve condition, doesn't bother me in the least.Ojustaboo wrote:Glad you got a honest reply.
Sadly reading what you are saying
You aren't buying the Kronos for 2 main reasons.
1) no 64 bit DAW support (and no info on any coming)
2) Spending 3K on a machine and be expected (recommended) to place bits of cardboard in during transportation is completely ridiculous.
Personally I think the cardboard was recommended after the design had gone to manufacture and they realised there could be a problem, I really don't believe they would have designed a 3K machine with cardboard from the outset, and if they did, well, words fail me.
Korg are you listening? another sale lost.
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jeremykeys
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that Korg actually thinks you should always use the cardboard holders whenever you transport you weighted key Kronos. That is just freaking mind mindbogglingly stupid.
One expects to own a keyboard for at least a decade and I seriously can't see those cardboard bits lasting that long.
Mine got chucked into the trash pretty much as soon as I got mine home and I've never had a problem with the keyboard. My Kronos 73 travels usually at least 4 times a week in a proper case. And yes, it gets bumped around a LOT! I also play very aggressively and so if it was to fail it would have done so my now.
What I am saying is, is that for Korg to actually say that you should always use the cardboard bits is utter nonsense coming from them. They aren't at all necessary.
You really don't need to worry.
Mind you, if I was to ask a manufacturer if such a thing was necessary and they said yes, I wouldn't buy their product either.
I can't say I blame you.
One expects to own a keyboard for at least a decade and I seriously can't see those cardboard bits lasting that long.
Mine got chucked into the trash pretty much as soon as I got mine home and I've never had a problem with the keyboard. My Kronos 73 travels usually at least 4 times a week in a proper case. And yes, it gets bumped around a LOT! I also play very aggressively and so if it was to fail it would have done so my now.
What I am saying is, is that for Korg to actually say that you should always use the cardboard bits is utter nonsense coming from them. They aren't at all necessary.
You really don't need to worry.
Mind you, if I was to ask a manufacturer if such a thing was necessary and they said yes, I wouldn't buy their product either.
I can't say I blame you.
If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, my very old MiniKorg, 4 acoustic and 9 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a Steel guitar, a bunch of microphones, 2 pairs of studio monitors and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 4 cats and a lava lamp!
Gear: Kronos 73, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, my very old MiniKorg, 4 acoustic and 9 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a Steel guitar, a bunch of microphones, 2 pairs of studio monitors and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 4 cats and a lava lamp!
Funny this is almost the same as my problem back before i bought kronos.. A roland RD 700 NX or the kronos.. The difference is you already had NX..
IMHO GX is better than NX ... GX is straight forward to use.. But beware, you cannot use KRONOS in the same way you use NX .. You cannot create splits or program searching on the fly.. Food for thought..
IMHO GX is better than NX ... GX is straight forward to use.. But beware, you cannot use KRONOS in the same way you use NX .. You cannot create splits or program searching on the fly.. Food for thought..
Love my kronos 88 
Love my yamaha psr s910 as well
Korg Kronos 88, Yamaha PSR s910, Korg C720, Yamaha DTX 520, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, a pair of Yamaha HS80 in (soon not to be) an unproperly treated room..
Love my yamaha psr s910 as well
Korg Kronos 88, Yamaha PSR s910, Korg C720, Yamaha DTX 520, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, a pair of Yamaha HS80 in (soon not to be) an unproperly treated room..
I just want to say that the Kronus is a quality product in many ways. I also want to thank this forum for its honeest assessments of the product.
What really gets under my skin is the corporate speak from Korg the part line seems to be 'you need the cardboard because the Kronus is like a Piano' I think the accurate description of this is BS. I also notice the way Korg 'fails to mention' the lack of 64 bit support for Daws in any of its promotions - least I cant find it anywhere. Its quite obvious they want you to find out the hard way. Part with cash, then bang, then argue the toss.
Thirdly I also notice the long load up time is underplayed. I would mind less if they were up front about it, its not a show stopper here, but I would like to be told the truth up front, I am still wondering if its really 2 minutes or three.
I am sure the keyboard is useable, and I guess they have replaced the earlier beds with new ones and not admitted to it.
Honesty, its the lack of it from Korg that has got my hackles up, but I suppose that's no difference from many other companies. This does NOT make it acceptable to me.
Sorry for the rant but it needs to be said
What really gets under my skin is the corporate speak from Korg the part line seems to be 'you need the cardboard because the Kronus is like a Piano' I think the accurate description of this is BS. I also notice the way Korg 'fails to mention' the lack of 64 bit support for Daws in any of its promotions - least I cant find it anywhere. Its quite obvious they want you to find out the hard way. Part with cash, then bang, then argue the toss.
Thirdly I also notice the long load up time is underplayed. I would mind less if they were up front about it, its not a show stopper here, but I would like to be told the truth up front, I am still wondering if its really 2 minutes or three.
I am sure the keyboard is useable, and I guess they have replaced the earlier beds with new ones and not admitted to it.
Honesty, its the lack of it from Korg that has got my hackles up, but I suppose that's no difference from many other companies. This does NOT make it acceptable to me.
Sorry for the rant but it needs to be said
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My Z1 had what I thought was a extra long delay when switching sounds. I would have gladly traded that for a long startup and instant patch switching. Everybody is different, but I would not let small technical niggles dissuade me from a keyboard. My priorites are:
1. Can I afford it?
2. Does it sound great?
3. Do I like the action?
4. Will it perform the necessary functions?
If these are fulfilled, I don't know why one would be happier with anything else.
1. Can I afford it?
2. Does it sound great?
3. Do I like the action?
4. Will it perform the necessary functions?
If these are fulfilled, I don't know why one would be happier with anything else.
RD-800, Kronos 61, Fantom 6, MODX6, 01/Wfd
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jeremykeys
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[quote="ZeroZeroI am still wondering if its really 2 minutes or three.
I am sure the keyboard is useable, and I guess they have replaced the earlier beds with new ones and not admitted to it.
Honesty, its the lack of it from Korg that has got my hackles up, but I suppose that's no difference from many other companies. This does NOT make it acceptable to me.
Sorry for the rant but it needs to be said[/quote]
I an quite used to the fact that it takes about 2 and 1/2 minutes to boot up. I think it all depends on just how many samples you are also auto/loading.
I've really never had a problem with the boot up time. At gigs or rehearsals.
I know it takes a long time but I just make sure I'm plugged in and power it up as one of the first things to do.
Besides, ya know yer drummers gonna be lookin' fer a drink or somethin"!
That's what give you time!
I am sure the keyboard is useable, and I guess they have replaced the earlier beds with new ones and not admitted to it.
Honesty, its the lack of it from Korg that has got my hackles up, but I suppose that's no difference from many other companies. This does NOT make it acceptable to me.
Sorry for the rant but it needs to be said[/quote]
I an quite used to the fact that it takes about 2 and 1/2 minutes to boot up. I think it all depends on just how many samples you are also auto/loading.
I've really never had a problem with the boot up time. At gigs or rehearsals.
I know it takes a long time but I just make sure I'm plugged in and power it up as one of the first things to do.
Besides, ya know yer drummers gonna be lookin' fer a drink or somethin"!
That's what give you time!
If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, my very old MiniKorg, 4 acoustic and 9 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a Steel guitar, a bunch of microphones, 2 pairs of studio monitors and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 4 cats and a lava lamp!
Gear: Kronos 73, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, my very old MiniKorg, 4 acoustic and 9 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a Steel guitar, a bunch of microphones, 2 pairs of studio monitors and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 4 cats and a lava lamp!