So sorry to learn you're considering selling your Kronos.....in a way I don't blame you,but due to the huge loss of money,perhaps it may not be a viable route...
We've already talked about changing the fan,temporarily, in other posts etc,so won't go into further details regarding that,but it is understandable if you don't feel comfortable with doing so.
Ojustaboo offers some good advice worthy of trying,I'm going to go along similar lines myself soon,already written a long drafted letter for my dealer,but not quite ready to
take the next step,as I still need the keyboard for current projects and also unwilling to face the "withdrawal symptoms" that will follow while it's away etc....
I do wish you luck with your attempt to sort things out with your own dealer....with hope of finding a suitable solution.
GregC wrote:In the US, used 88's command $2400 to $2800
I paid $2950 for my 88 in August 2011.
Looking at completed usa eBay listings for the 88
Manufactured refurb sold for $2399 (I presume that has a warranty)
One with a stand as well for $2450
One with a replacement keybed and upgraded for $2325
One listed as selling for $2700 but was an international listing that sold for £1761
When you start looking at private seller eBay auctions rather than retail ones with warranties there is one for $2550 including a gator case but there's also one that sold for $2225 and another that sold for $2190
And presuming US eBay fees etc are similar to UK ones, you will be taking off over $100 on selling and PayPal fees.
So the person that sold theirs for $2190 would have got under $2090 after eBay and PayPal fees.
But that loss after owning your board since August 2011 and being happy with it isn't as bad as if you bought it in sept/October 2012 for a similar amount and have had nothing but problems.
i must say I'm trying sell my Kronos 61 key (with case and upgrades) as I've just bought a nord g2 and want to focus on one synth and one synth only. I do love my kronos though and I paid £2349 (i think..) only 6-7months or so ago. I've noticed that prices have dropped pretty fantastitically and the best offer I've had so for my 2nd hand unit is £1400 which seems pretty low considering it's basically brand new, has a case and the upgrades!
If I can't more, for me anway, it doesn't make sense to sell as like I said i do love it and it does serve as a fantastic 'players' synth..i'm not in band or anything and not normally into anything other than electronic music but I love just playing organs, electric piano's, strings on this thing with a bit of karma and drum tracks..I can lose hours doing this....I'd rather find other ways to saddle the debt than take a massive loss!
Think the prices dropped when the X-came out didn't it...they are seemingly trying to clear all non-x stock at prices which are crazy low.
From a synthesists point of view i'm suprised more electronic musicians haven't picked up on the kronos. I think it's way more versatile and better sounding than your access viri etc..
I think prices are low on non x stock because of the problems they had. I am of a mind that if Inwas going to take that kind of a hit Inwould do the work myself and take the chance roll the dice on the warranty.
To be honest I'm not bothered about the price of the kronos going down because if it became very cheap I will buy another one and experiment on it.
Plus I'm never going to sell mine so again the price does not matter to me.
lotty1 wrote:To be honest I'm not bothered about the price of the kronos going down because if it became very cheap I will buy another one and experiment on it.
Plus I'm never going to sell mine so again the price does not matter to me.
i agree
As far as i could see the pricedrop is only for the old stock (the NON X versions), and that makes sense, why would anyone buy the old version if it was the same price as the X version. The X version is still the original price.
Also don't forget that the weighted original NON X Kronos versions have a very bad reputation, so maybe this is the way to convince people to get one.
vinylwizard wrote:From a synthesists point of view i'm suprised more electronic musicians haven't picked up on the kronos. I think it's way more versatile and better sounding than your access viri etc..
I paid about £2700 for my 61 in Feb last year. Yeah the price drop has been amazing... can't think of any other keyboard that has had a depreciation in value in such a short amount of time. I think I'd get about £1300 for it. I've even seen a VSynth GT go for more than that recently.
At the time of buying I was debating between a Nord Stage 2 and Kronos because I was after a keyboard to do gigs with that had the top piano and epiano sounds available. I went with the Kronos as I figured it might be nice to have access to a whole bunch of other sounds and be able to write stuff in one keyboard without using an external computer.
After a year I realise now I should have gone with the Nord Stage but I have enjoyed my time with the Kronos and the other sounds have been a bonus. The main interest for me now with the Kronos is the sample streaming stuff.
interestingly enough the depreciation in price on the Nord Stage is quite low... hardly ever seen them for sale on the second hand market though.
vinylwizard wrote:From a synthesists point of view i'm suprised more electronic musicians haven't picked up on the kronos. I think it's way more versatile and better sounding than your access viri etc..
+1
I think its because of the lack of knobs... the GUI for the AL1 and HD1 are terrible. my 28 year old Oberheim Matrix 12 has 6 rotaries and about the same amount of buttons as the Kronos and is incredibly easy and flexible to program. i think if the LCD had been surrounded by knobs which correlated to certain functions then it would be a programmers dream.
vinylwizard wrote:From a synthesists point of view i'm suprised more electronic musicians haven't picked up on the kronos. I think it's way more versatile and better sounding than your access viri etc..
+1
I think its because of the lack of knobs... the GUI for the AL1 and HD1 are terrible. my 28 year old Oberheim Matrix 12 has 6 rotaries and about the same amount of buttons as the Kronos and is incredibly easy and flexible to program. i think if the LCD had been surrounded by knobs which correlated to certain functions then it would be a programmers dream.
i doubt this is the reason, if you press the tone control button you have a lot of tweak power on the controls. You can see on the touchscreen (in control mode) which parameter is assigned to each button or fader. But if you don't overrule the settings then almost every engine works the same.
You have access to:
Sliders
- Filter ADSR
- Amp ADSR
- buttons: depends on the engine, but often assigned to on off triggers like lfo on/off or osc X on/off
- Rotaries: depends on the engine, but often assigned to cutoff / resonance, osc type, drive and FM parameters
You can overrule the default parameters for tone control, so hands-on control isn't an issue.
I have a lot of contacts in the electronic music scene, most people like the Kronos sounds, but the most common complaint is that there isn't a DAW integration. When you are a producer total recall is very important, and the kronos doesn't have that. My opinion is that is a much bigger issue then the hands-on control. Also the lack of modern dance / trance presets is an issue, since most people are used of selecting just a preset. When you look at the Access Virus the thousends of available presets are giving you a great headstart when making electronical music. For me it's not an issue, i've completely reprogrammed my kronos for the dance style but not everyone is capable of doing that.
But my opinion is that the lack of a DAW integration and the price of the kronos are the main issues for electronical musicians.
And i can understand that, when you buy a Virus TI and Native Instruments Komplete package you have everything you need with a perfect DAW integration. The Virus TI has a switch where you can transform all knobs to a handson midi controller for your Soft synths and even the sounds of the virus ti are transfered through USB into your existing ASIO environment, also everything you do in your project on the Virus is saved in your DAW song so it's absolutely perfect when you work on multiple projects and can use the Total Recall of your DAW.
Aside from the well-documented "issues", when the "editor" came out, there was a feeling of a slap in the face, as the expectations (rightly or wrongly) were that the stated integration would be there.
Now, the term "integration" may have been misinterpreted by all parties, including Korg, as the users thought "a la Virus TI".
It would appear that Korg thought otherwise. OR they had the same idea, but ran out of time, budget etc and farmed it out to Soundquest, for development at a set price.
I don't know. WE don't know - and I doubt we ever will.
Regardless, the inferred integration isn't there.
That said, where Kronos has taken off is on the performance scene. Big names are using it, which can only help. The only machine that seems quite depreciation-proof is the Nord. But that too has its niche market. You're fortunate if you spend £3k+ on a new machine and don't experience eye-watering depreciation. Both Yamaha & Roland suffer this too.
Of course, what Kronos has also done is provided the shot in the arm for relatively old synth engines that are now being re-boxed in other "new" machines. Amazing what a bit of re-branding can do. But that's not a bad thing imho.
Me? I'm happy with my Kronos. And have been from day 1. To date, I've not had any unexpected issues, and the machine has performed flawlessly. And paid for itself.
And that's all I can really ask of an investment.
