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I want to include 1 bar (which I originally made a fill in) in the 8th bar of variation1.

On the keyboard this is not possible. I'm trying to figure out how to do it in a DAW, in my case, Logic.

Can anyone point me how to edit -and rearrange- styles in logic?

I'm totally new to making styles on pc/mac.

Please someone take the time to help

Hi Shim,
don't have Logic, but this is the way I would normally do it.

Style Record
Menu
Export SMF
Hold Down Shift Button & Press Execute & Save.
Load into Daw.
I gather you're trying to replace original bar8 with the fillin?
If so cut & delete bar 8 & copy fill bar in it's place. Instruments in fill have to match the instruments in the variation, as you can't have program changes in the middle of variation.

If you have more than 1cv in the variation 1 ie v1cv1, and you also have a v1cv2 , you'll have to do the same for v1cv2. etc
The above markers should show up in a marker list of some sort. My old sequencer program (XG Works) they show up on the main page. Powertracks has a list, don't know how yours does it.

After editing, save as Midifile 0,

(I load mine into a COPY of the original style to maintain my ntt settings etc).

Menu
Import
Make sure Initialize is NOT marked with brown square.

Press Shift/Execute

Hopefully works for you too.
p.s

Just been doing a bit of experimenting with one of my user styles. They're basic with just a single cv for the variations & fills, & 2 cv's for intro/endings.
Noticed the korg itself shows up markers in Song Play Mode.
I Loaded the exported (style) midifile into Song Play. Hit the Lyrics & Score Button together and the markers show up as a list. Appears you can even edit them. I changed the i1cv1 marker to ecv1 and vice versa. Imported it back into the style , now the ending is playing as the intro & vice versa. Brings up some weird possibilities.
For someone without a daw ,might even be able to do some style editing in the korg sequencer that isn't possible in the style editor itself.

shim wrote:I want to include 1 bar (which I originally made a fill in) in the 8th bar of variation1.

On the keyboard this is not possible. I'm trying to figure out how to do it in a DAW, in my case, Logic.

Can anyone point me how to edit -and rearrange- styles in logic?

I'm totally new to making styles on pc/mac.

Please someone take the time to help

Well that is a perfect kind of question for me to learn about EDITING in the Pa3X - I am only just considering buying one and am wondering how complicated it will be to just lay down basic "piano, bass, drums" tracks and add my vocals for original compositions.

Does it take months to figure out? I have had Cakewalk on PC, and got tired of learning new software. I want something easy now so I can concentrate on the composition, not the production.

Hi Karlin,
don't think we're talking about the same thing.
Shim's question was basically on STYLE editing, I think what you may be wanting info on, is SEQUENCER recording/editing?? ie you want to record a song on the PA3X, not a style?

On the Korg you can record your backing for a song, either using styles or you can record each track from scratch. You can also add additional tracks to a song recorded using styles. There's a number of editing tools also.
It also has an MP3 recorder for audio parts ( personally I haven't used this function yet)
May I suggest you download the Korg User manual & look up the section on recording new songs , mp3's & song editing.
http://www.korgpa.com/en/support/produc ... nuals.html

I personally don't do a lot of sequencing, mainly use my pc sequencers for editing converted styles. Even though there are a number of style editing functions onboard, some things are easier done on my old midi sequencer software.
I find the modern pc midi/ audio sequencers far too complex for my needs.

Might be worth your while starting your own topic on the onboard sequencer & it's functions, as your question may be overlooked in this style editing topic.

Karlin wrote:Well that is a perfect kind of question for me to learn about EDITING in the Pa3X - I am only just considering buying one and am wondering how complicated it will be to just lay down basic "piano, bass, drums" tracks and add my vocals for original compositions.

Does it take months to figure out? I have had Cakewalk on PC, and got tired of learning new software. I want something easy now so I can concentrate on the composition, not the production.

Shim's question was basically on STYLE editing, I think what you may be wanting info on, is SEQUENCER recording/editing?? ie you want to record a song on the PA3X, not a style?

Or perhaps, karlin does not understand what a style is. It is likely he's coming from a workstation, where you lay down "tracks", as he puts it.

Karlin, if that is the case, let me explain.
On an arranger, the backing tracks are preprogrammed "loops" of eight tracks (each track with a different instrument, e.g. drums, bass, piano etc.) that follow your chords. These are called "styles".
You CAN make a style on the keyboard, which is what I do constantly, or use a pc (or mac) editor to record the style "parts" and put markers for the different "sections" of the style. For example, v1cv1, i2cv1 etc.

What I was asking in this thread is how to edit ON A MAC a style I designed on the pa3x.
In general, the pa3x has very good style creation capabilities (better then yamaha, more detailed editing) however certain technical things were not possible on the keyboard itself; which is why I asked what I asked.

Hope this helps.
And thanks rikki for the reply.

(I load mine into a COPY of the original style to maintain my ntt settings etc).

Does it must be imported on top of the original style and not a new style?

I tried it with a NEW style and nothing happened.

Sorry to hijack this thread. Rikki, are you lower east coast?I'm at Urunga. Only had the3x for 7 weeks. Would love to contact you.
baz

Hi Baz,
Port Stephens. 2hrs north of Sydney.
Mental block, where is Urunga, know the name , but can't place location.
North Coast??

Are you having specific problems? I know a bit about style creation functions (bit of a hobby of mine) but there's a number of other functions on the korg that I've never bothered to learn about. I'm only a hobbyist & use it for self entertainment.

barry murphy wrote:Sorry to hijack this thread. Rikki, are you lower east coast?I'm at Urunga. Only had the3x for 7 weeks. Would love to contact you.
baz

Hi Shim,
before I answered your question, I tried something similar with one of my user styles ie put a fill into the 4th bar ( in my case).
I replaced the original 4th bar with the fill and imported into a new style.
Don't know whether something went wrong, but my ntt settings were at default, instead of what they were in the original style.

When I then imported the edited style back into a copy of the original, my ntt settings were intact.

Another option could be to export the complete style delete all the other variations, intro's etc
copy the fill to bar 8 and import it back in as a single cv into vari 1.

Is your style fairly basic ie only a single cv for vari 1, if it's more, could get a bit messy.

I'm wondering whether your software is causing your problems, I personally have never had any problems using my old midi pc sequencer it manages to keep all my program, bank changes etc intact.

What do you mean, nothing happened, your style disappeared???

If you like I could have a at the style for you, if all you want to do is copy the fill into the variation ( I'd need to know exactly what you want to do).

It could be done in the korg sequencer also, but not as easily as in a pc sequencer. The Korg sequencer has a couple or so more editing functions
than the style editor.

shim wrote:

(I load mine into a COPY of the original style to maintain my ntt settings etc).

Does it must be imported on top of the original style and not a new style?

I tried it with a NEW style and nothing happened.

Ok, what I mean by "nothing happened" is just that. Nothing.
It remains a blank style.
I have a feeling it's something in Logic, as when I originally brought it in to Logic, all the sounds were messed up. i.e. not the right sound on the right tracks. In fact, the only sound playing was Piano.

I don't know anything about bank change or program change, in regards to selecting the right voice in DAW, but in any case, why wouldn't ANYTHING show up on the keyboard when I import?

shim wrote:Ok, what I mean by "nothing happened" is just that. Nothing.
It remains a blank style.
I have a feeling it's something in Logic, as when I originally brought it in to Logic, all the sounds were messed up. i.e. not the right sound on the right tracks. In fact, the only sound playing was Piano.

I don't know anything about bank change or program change, in regards to selecting the right voice in DAW, but in any case, why wouldn't ANYTHING show up on the keyboard when I import?

Rikki has excellent posts on editing styles , so you might want to spend some time reading her other posts that she made in the past.

I didn't read this whole thread as it was somewhat long, so never mind if this was already mentioned.

Make sure that the midi file you export from Logic is saved as "type 0". I got some basic video tutorials posted in my youtube channel. Check them out if you like.

Hi Sam,
nice to hear from you again.

I'm seriously wondering whether Shim's DAW could be the problem. Some of the new Audio/Midi sequencers are so complex. I've never used Logic,
I'm wondering if there's something wrong in his midi settings. Maybe more geared towards audio recording rather than midi.

I'm still using 15yr old XG Works pc sequencer even though, designed for use with Yamaha keyboards, works well for what I do. Fortunately for me I managed to sort of get it working in Win 7, though it's not designed to.

Even PG's Powertracks Pro & Real Band sequencers are getting more complex, now that they're adding more audio functions.

What sequencer do you use for editing?

Assyrianpianist wrote:
Rikki has excellent posts on editing styles , so you might want to spend some time reading her other posts that she made in the past.

I didn't read this whole thread as it was somewhat long, so never mind if this was already mentioned.

Make sure that the midi file you export from Logic is saved as "type 0". I got some basic video tutorials posted in my youtube channel. Check them out if you like.

Hi Shim,
as Sam said, are you saving as Midifile 0. Most important.

Check your Daw's midi settings. Maybe you need to ENABLE, some sort of Bank & Program Change setting.

As Sam mentioned, we did do a lot of posts a 2 to 3 years ago on the PA800 forum on Styles Editing etc. We were both going thru a learning curve on Korg Style creation functions. Basically would be applicable to PA3X also. Maybe something might be of use.

shim wrote:Ok, what I mean by "nothing happened" is just that. Nothing.
It remains a blank style.
I have a feeling it's something in Logic, as when I originally brought it in to Logic, all the sounds were messed up. i.e. not the right sound on the right tracks. In fact, the only sound playing was Piano.

I don't know anything about bank change or program change, in regards to selecting the right voice in DAW, but in any case, why wouldn't ANYTHING show up on the keyboard when I import?