Waveseq does not work properly

section4 · Post by **section4** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:22 am

Just got me a Kronos and sadly I've seem to have stumbled on a "feature" and just wonder if anyone else has experienced this.

Upgraded it from 1.5 to 2.0.6, have excluded all EXs except the pianos and created my own EXs with samples that I autoload..

Most of the times when I try to create a waveseq:

select length: 4 steps
Selecting a sample for first step, works fine..
Selecting a sample for second step, it changes sample on the 3'rd step and positions itselfe on the 4'th step..
Trying again to select sample for the second step and it sometimes jumps to 8, 13 or something, and also changing the length of the waveseq.. damn anoying !!

Next after that, when I actually managed to make a waveseq, clicking 'Key sync'.. works fine.. saving it.. heading over to program mode to find that the waveseq is not key synced.. back to global.. 'key sync' is not checked..

One of the main reason for buing Kronos was wavesequencing and now it seem it does not work properly on mine..

Any sugestions ?

HardSync · Post by **HardSync** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:01 am

Well, I'm not sure what's happening with the steps' samples changing on you, but the Key Sync thing isn't saved in Global Mode. It's saved in the program or combi. The one in Global is simply for auditioning the wavesequence as you are making it. The Parameter Guide says (on pg 788):

The Key Sync parameter on this page affects the way that the Wave Sequence plays back during editing, but is not stored with the Wave Sequence itself. Instead, each Program, each Combi Timbre, and each Track in a Song has its own Key Sync setting.

section4 · Post by **section4** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:17 pm

HardSync wrote:Well, I'm not sure what's happening with the steps' samples changing on you, but the Key Sync thing isn't saved in Global Mode. It's saved in the program or combi. The one in Global is simply for auditioning the wavesequence as you are making it. The Parameter Guide says (on pg 788):

The Key Sync parameter on this page affects the way that the Wave Sequence plays back during editing, but is not stored with the Wave Sequence itself. Instead, each Program, each Combi Timbre, and each Track in a Song has its own Key Sync setting.

Ah, RTFM.. ok, that one is on me then..

The other I'm sure is not my making.. I would be glad if it was..

HardSync · Post by **HardSync** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:28 pm

section4 wrote:Ah, RTFM.. ok, that one is on me then.. The other I'm sure is not my making.. I would be glad if it was..

Truth is, I didn't know the answer until I looked it up in the guide, which is why I quoted from it and gave the page number. I don't have a Kronos. If I did, I would try to work out or replicate the other issue you're having. I would love to see first-hand how wave sequencing is implemented differently in the Kronos in comparison to the original Wavestation, which is my all-time favourite synth.

So your query was a good excuse to dig into the parameter guide and have a look. Maybe some day I'll get a Kronos, when I can justify the expense. Of course, I could be of more help if anyone wants to let me borrow their Kronos for a month or two ... ... ? Anyone? No? Didn't think so...

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:54 pm

HardSync wrote:I would love to see first-hand how wave sequencing is implemented differently in the Kronos in comparison to the original Wavestation, which is my all-time favourite synth.

Watch: Tutorial: 09 Wave Sequences (Motion Pads) QR

Then read: Wavestation waveforms and Kronos

HardSync wrote:So your query was a good excuse to dig into the parameter guide and have a look. Maybe some day I'll get a Kronos, when I can justify the expense. Of course, I could be of more help if anyone wants to let me borrow their Kronos for a month or two ... ... ? Anyone? No? Didn't think so...

I can borrow you mine. You just have to make a security deposit of $4,000.00 USD

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:48 pm

section4 wrote:
HardSync wrote:Well, I'm not sure what's happening with the steps' samples changing on you, but the Key Sync thing isn't saved in Global Mode. It's saved in the program or combi. The one in Global is simply for auditioning the wavesequence as you are making it. The Parameter Guide says (on pg 788):

The Key Sync parameter on this page affects the way that the Wave Sequence plays back during editing, but is not stored with the Wave Sequence itself. Instead, each Program, each Combi Timbre, and each Track in a Song has its own Key Sync setting.
Ah, RTFM.. ok, that one is on me then.. The other I'm sure is not my making.. I would be glad if it was..

Sounds like some modulation is going on. Experiment and you'll figure it out - have fun!

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:56 pm

HardSync wrote:
section4 wrote:Ah, RTFM.. ok, that one is on me then.. The other I'm sure is not my making.. I would be glad if it was..
Truth is, I didn't know the answer until I looked it up in the guide, which is why I quoted from it and gave the page number. I don't have a Kronos. If I did, I would try to work out or replicate the other issue you're having. I would love to see first-hand how wave sequencing is implemented differently in the Kronos in comparison to the original Wavestation, which is my all-time favourite synth.

The Wavestation is one of my favorites, too!

Wave Sequencing has come a long way forward in the KRONOS (and OASYS) - check out the Operation Guide for detailed walk-throughs. Some highlights of changes since the Wavestation include:
* Strong support for tempo (the whole "rhythmic" aspect came along late in the development of the Wavestation), including swing and key sync
* Dual step-seq outputs for modulating Program parameters from the Wave Sequence
* Realtime duration modulation (nice for variation in crossfaded wave sequences)
* Note-on advance (round-robin start step)
* Per-step fade curvature

HardSync · Post by **HardSync** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:47 pm

MarPabl wrote:Watch: Tutorial: 09 Wave Sequences (Motion Pads) QR

Then read: Wavestation waveforms and Kronos

I can borrow you mine. You just have to make a security deposit of $4,000.00 USD

I should have said "hands-on" -- I've seen all of Qui's tutorials and I've read most of the topics here in this forum -- nothing beats getting in there and twiddling stuff to see/hear what happens. And, as tempting as it is, I'll pass on borrowing your Kronos with that security deposit.

danatkorg wrote:The Wavestation is one of my favorites, too!

Wave Sequencing has come a long way forward in the KRONOS (and OASYS) - check out the Operation Guide for detailed walk-throughs. Some highlights of changes since the Wavestation include:
* Strong support for tempo (the whole "rhythmic" aspect came along late in the development of the Wavestation), including swing and key sync
* Dual step-seq outputs for modulating Program parameters from the Wave Sequence
* Realtime duration modulation (nice for variation in crossfaded wave sequences)
* Note-on advance (round-robin start step)
* Per-step fade curvature

This is exactly my point, Dan. Even now the Wavestation is enormously powerful, lush and evocative, but the enhancements and additions made 20 years on are exciting to me. All of that "extra" stuff that you cannot do on the Wavestation ... hell, yeah! I do know it is one of your favourites, though. Your name is all over the manuals and I recall your Wavestation site from "back in the day."

There's probably no market for a tricked-out Wavestation 2 considering vector synthesis and wave sequencing are being implemented in today's Korg synths, but it would be awesome if Korg (or, assuming the patents have run their course, even Dave Smith) seriously considered it. A four-oscillator vector synthesis monster with today's tech and at least 128 voices of polyphony, preferably more? I've got a bazillion ideas to take it even further (I dream about this stuff, literally), but I know nothing about designing synthesizers or programming soft synths, otherwise I'd do it myself.

section4 · Post by **section4** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:34 pm

danatkorg wrote:
section4 wrote:
Ah, RTFM.. ok, that one is on me then.. The other I'm sure is not my making.. I would be glad if it was..
Sounds like some modulation is going on. Experiment and you'll figure it out - have fun!

Hmm.. just because I posted this it has now worked every time since..

but what modulation would cause my input on one step to end up on the wrong step ? I will experiment some more..

Thanks for the reply !

Now back to the tedious work of recreating my old wave sequences from Wavestation by looking in my old Sounddiver libraries..

section4 · Post by **section4** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:49 pm

danatkorg wrote:
The Wavestation is one of my favorites, too!

Wave Sequencing has come a long way forward in the KRONOS (and OASYS) - check out the Operation Guide for detailed walk-throughs. Some highlights of changes since the Wavestation include:
* Strong support for tempo (the whole "rhythmic" aspect came along late in the development of the Wavestation), including swing and key sync
* Dual step-seq outputs for modulating Program parameters from the Wave Sequence
* Realtime duration modulation (nice for variation in crossfaded wave sequences)
* Note-on advance (round-robin start step)
* Per-step fade curvature

Yes, Wavestation and Z1 has been my two favourites for a long time.. now I have both (kind of..) in the Kronos..