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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:15 am
by vipmusicos59
Just consider that some cheap softwares allow us to convert most of sample formats in SF2...which are compatible with our Kronos... so just think about it before spending your money!
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:15 pm
by ed_f
blinkofanI wrote:ed_f wrote:The first roadblock to me is the idea they are tied to the machine. That is just such a problematic part of this I can't imagine ever putting much money in that direction. THE KRS 04, 05 made sense to me at < $50, but a more substantial investment seems dangerous.
When the Kronos Extreme (or whatever) shows up in a couple years and is compatible with everything I have done with this machine, I don't want to think buying the new one means losing hundreds of dollars in sounds locked to my current Kronos.
Are you telling me it would be the first time you loose money when selling a piece of gear????
Blink
The idea that depreciation of a product is the same non-transferable sound banks is certainly a fallacy. (I have made money selling old gear too - the money is not the point.)
There have been threads here already about people who need a second Kronos, wanted to upgrade to an X, or broke what they had and needed to replace and in all those cases, the sounds they bought can't be transferred.
I went through 3 Kronos because of keybed issues. If I had bought any of these sounds during the month or so I had each of those other 3 keyboards, I couldn't use them now on my final good one.
I have never experienced that before.
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:30 pm
by Trinity2112
blinkofanI wrote:
There have been threads here already about people who need a second Kronos, wanted to upgrade to an X, or broke what they had and needed to replace and in all those cases, the sounds they bought can't be transferred.
I went through 3 Kronos because of keybed issues. If I had bought any of these sounds during the month or so I had each of those other 3 keyboards, I couldn't use them now on my final good one.
I have never experienced that before.
That's why I was so hesitant of investing into the sound libraries. And that was BEFORE my Kronos spent 3 months being repaired. Now there's no hesitation whatsoever. I simply do without because I have no confidence in the lifespan of my Kronos. It really is a sad situation all the way around.
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:48 pm
by pedro5
My Kronos 73 is due to be repaired soon and have a bought sound bank (Karo 51) currently installed.
Does this mean I will loose it if they replace the keyboard ?
(I'm assuming a repair to the original unit won't affect what's on the hard drive...).
I would have thought that the Korg service center (including their agents) would replace any sound banks bought via their site without question.....or am I being unrealistic...??.
Or,would the dealer make proper compensation under their own warranty...??
I will find out eventually,of course,but wondered what other owners have experienced.
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:55 pm
by Bertotti
In Korg's defense I believe they would make it right if you had board problems and a shop replaced your whole board. I can not imagine they would leave you hanging. I don't think I have seen a post yet of anyone who bought and lost a library then had Korg tell them no you can't have another with out buying it. I do not know that they would support you if you just decided to trade it off though, I am I claimed to believe you would be out of luck unless you contacted Korg first to find a way of removing it from the board the transfering it to the new board. Again I haven't seen this happen in any case yet.
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:13 pm
by pedro5
Thanks for you reply, it is what I would have thought they could do.
It's just a matter of getting the codes from Korg for the library which is tied to the particular instrument.
So,even if they supply a new board,a simple installation is all that would be required,either in house,or by the original owner.
Obviously,these codes could not be used with any other instrument,though.
In my mind,there shouldn't be a problem.....but....??
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:16 pm
by Bertotti
Yea, I can't say they can or can't but I have not read a case yet where anyone asked them or where it was needed. I have a feeling they would help if it was a certainty that the old board no longer had the libraries on it.
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:48 am
by NuSkoolTone
jimknopf wrote:SanderXpander wrote:The base price is just too high to justify. I can only speak for myself of course, and I wish Korg and Karo well. But I am never buying a library at those prices. And I've bought plenty of expansions for other gear. Fifty bucks I could justify, even on a whim on the odd chance I would really like some sounds. 250 gets me a high class soft synth, if we're talking studio work. Or a decent midi controller. Or second hand Maschine, a JX3P with some luck, etc.
+1
The problem is, that any of us can get these kinds of sounds (plus some which may be much more to our own liking) by sampling or resampling from a load of available sources. I was interested when I saw all these names of great Korg analog synths for vintage synth explorer II, but frankly, the the sounds produced with them aren't really impressive. Sorry to say it, wishing Karo and Korg all the best, but I doubt that many would spend more than 50$ to be able to use these sounds. They are really nothing special.
It would make MUCH more sense to sell a well working pop/funk/r&b brass library, than to try to sell this kind of stuff at completely unrealistic price points IMHO.
And for Korg it would make much more sense to update some Kronos engines or add one or two, or to implement much better overdrive effects: this could cost us some money and still would be bought, because it would overcome one of the few really weak points of the present Kronos! I would belong to the first buying that stuff. But at the moment I get the impression that Korg doesn't want my money, by improving the Kronos and it's sounds in a more impressive way.
I can't +1 this stuff enough. I'm more interested in the near universal OS updates that have been requested by nearly everyone than Sound Libraries. $250 is simply too much for most of them. Not to insult some of the developers, but on audition many of them didn't feel substantial enough (Or in some cases, fully "Done" IMO). Take Karo for example: If Unison, Chamber, and Symphonic was all bundled for $250 I'd buy it. Because that is substantial and nearly all my string needs would be met. But $250 a PIECE? And with GLARING gaps in the programming and overlap? They're out of their freakin minds!
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:48 am
by kronoSphere
I know that everyone has their own judgment about the quality of any particular sound and that this ultimately is always subjective. But personally, I wull certainly never regret having bought Thhe symphonicOrchestra library from Karo (even at 249). Simply Because, IMHO, it has greatly boosted the whole process of my musical creativity. And that is the real delightful power of sounds for anyone who pays attention to them : Changes !
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:31 pm
by metallo
blinkofanI wrote:metallo wrote:Big kudos to clavia for this, expensive instruments, that's true, but huge free official sample libraries very often updated.
Did anybody ever calculated the total of Gb of free sounds/samples on the Clavia web site+ stock Nord synth compared with what comes with a stock Kronos? Not sure the Clavia customer is on the winning side... Just sayin'. We're only talking numbers here, not quality, which is subjective.
Blink
Quantity very often doesn't mean quality and, anyway, I was referring to Clavia policy to givr for free everything else after the purchase of their machines.
You buy a Clavia and they will give you for free all the new sounds available, now and in the future.
You buy a Kronos and korg will sell you the sounds.
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:41 pm
by traveler
Quantity very often doesn't mean quality and, anyway, I was referring to Clavia policy to give for free everything else after the purchase of their machines.
You buy a Clavia and they will give you for free all the new sounds available, now and in the future.
You buy a Kronos and korg will sell you the sounds.
+ 1000
With Korg the first one is free!
