Sound Libraries Questions

[Bertotti]

My automated response from Korg. If I don't hear from them in a week I will call.
I think others should travel this path as well if we don't get a response. Big companies are run by bean counters so numbers do make a difference. I work for a very very large and very well know Japanese company and that seems to be a universal truth.

[Ojustaboo]

The car analogy is bad. You can't sell a copy of a car ( unless you want to try and build one).But you can sell almost unlimited copies of software without copyright protection. But Korg should figure out how to transfer licenses.

I did say its a bad analogy

But it isn't as far off the mark as you imply.

Yes I agree with you about the ease of copying software which is why some sort of licensing is required for software and which is why companies such as native Instruments etc have them, but also allow you to sell them to others.

Certain software companies (especially games companies) think people simply should not be allowed to transfer ownership ever.

Korg seem to take it one step further and wont even let you transfer it to another instrument you own or rent.

The simple fact is, licensing was introduced for the reasons you stated, to stop people pirating, but companies have taken this one step further and used it as a way of penalising the honest purchaser.

And as I've said many times before, this only encourages pirating in the long term. I used to buy games, find they had awful CD protection and I used to find no CD cracks so that my games would start instantly and wouldn't require the CD in, meanwhile other honest purchasers had to wait a stupidly long time for their games to start and have the CD on all the time.

Meanwhile the pirate simply copied the game and the hack.

But MANY MANY people started pirating due to initially using CD cracks as they didn't want the long load times and didn't want their CD in all the time, but once they found the sites with the no cd cracks, they realised they could copy games at will and use such things.

Earlier today I tried sampling the EXs I have been given by the original owner as he returned his Kronos to the store and exchanged for another machine but due to Korgs licensing I cant register it on my Kronos.

It hasn't come out 100% prefect but it was my first attempt and I'm sure if I took my time looked into it a bit harder I could get it almost spot on.

I simply used an initialised patch and one of the protected samples, recorded them in to cubase (A, C, D#, F#) right across the keyboard, making sure I started each recording just after the sound faded back in.

These were synth samples, all one velocity.

Quickly edited the waves to make sure the start points were spot on.

Then quickly created a Kontakt instrument

Then used ESC to convert it to SF2.

I then went into the PCG file supplied with the EXs file and loaded a patch that used just that sample to a spare patch. I then changed the sample to my SF2.

It's not spot on but it's pretty dam close and I know had I taken more time, I could have gotten it much closer.

Took me around 2 hrs to do (which was my very first attempt at this sort of thing)

So if there's any sounds on the EXs I was given that I really like, I can recreate them.

But now I'm thinking, hey, I wonder how well that would work on one of the string sounds on Korgs Legendary Strings. And I'm being 100% honest here, I dislike piracy but it's extremely tempting to try.

It's only because of Korgs licensing that I tried to get software that is now mine to work with my kronos ,that I found how easy this was.

If I was to ever buy any EXs file, I would also do the same thing so that I had a copy for my own personal use wherever I want and I would do this before I bought it because if it wasn't possible, I wouldn't buy it, but then the temptation is there to keep my home made version and not buy the original.

Again I'm not saying I will, I'm simply explaining how such protection encourages piracy.

And again, Korg could make some money out of this charging $10 to $15 for an automated system to transfer registration, plus many people have said they simply wont buy if they cant transfer, so Korg are loosing out on sales as things stand.

[Saxifraga]

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If I was to ever buy any EXs file, I would also do the same thing so that I had a copy for my own personal use wherever I want and I would do this before I bought it because if it wasn't possible, I wouldn't buy it, but then the temptation is there to keep my home made version and not buy the original.

Again I'm not saying I will, I'm simply explaining how such protection encourages piracy.

And again, Korg could make some money out of this charging $10 to $15 for an automated system to transfer registration, plus many people have said they simply wont buy if they cant transfer, so Korg are loosing out on sales as things stand.

Since the samples are all very long loops of basic waveforms it´s no problem to sample them with the Kronos itself as you did.
I could have done it with the demo but choose to pay the not very high price of 49$ for the whole set. Only recently I read here that I cannot sell them because of this damn non transferable code. That´s btw. totally illegal by most countrys law. You have the right to sell used software and products you own. You are just not allowed to sell them multpile times. A producer is not allowed to bind a product to a specific machine. It´s ILLEGAL Korg!
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2008 ... -software/
http://cms2.unige.ch/droit/ceje1/en/new ... e-licences

Do musicians have to start a lawsuite before being able to do so?
Korg is doing a very bad job with the Kronos. A total 180° turn from the M3 with not copy protected sounds and samples. Korg is doing all the same mistakes the software/audio and video industry did. Instead of idiotic copy protection they should implement a shop into their OS where you can buy via wireless lan any unprotected sound you want. It´s the spontanous buyer who brings money, not the gaged and bound SM type of guy. Those go to the dungeon to have a good whipping.

[GregC]

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If I was to ever buy any EXs file, I would also do the same thing so that I had a copy for my own personal use wherever I want and I would do this before I bought it because if it wasn't possible, I wouldn't

brings money, not the gaged and bound SM type of guy. Those go to the dungeon to have a good whipping.

LoL

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[Bertotti]

Got my response, I will reply with one more question.

"Hello John,

Your authorizations are tied to your Public ID and are stored with your korg.com account. As such, in the off chance that you had to reauthorize your Kronos (which as yet has not occurred for any customers that I’m aware of), you will be able to access your authorizations from your account online and reenter them into your keyboard. As these authorizations are tied to your public ID you will not be able to transfer them from one keyboard to another and any replacement or additional keyboard would require its own authorizations be purchased.

Please let me know if I can be of any additional assistance. Thanks for supporting Korg!


Best regards,

Max
Product Support Supervisor
P:631.390.8737
F:631.390.8738
(Phone Support: Monday through Friday, 1 PM - 5 PM, Eastern Time)"



I appreciate they took the time to reply. I am curious about what happens if our public I'd somehow is changed because of a repair.

[Ojustaboo]

I'd love to see the eu lawyers look into that as it is such a restrictive and immoral license. It's as bad as having a CD or DVD playable only on one actual DVD player.

Not one penny from me is being spent on anything with such unfriendly practices.

[Saxifraga]

I'd love to see the eu lawyers look into that as it is such a restrictive and immoral license. It's as bad as having a CD or DVD playable only on one actual DVD player.
Not one penny from me is being spent on anything with such unfriendly practices.

Hm..
Korg Sevice informed me that it´s possible to transfer a licence from one machine to another, if I send the S/N and machine ID, if I change from one Kronos to a new one. That contradicts what has been writen two posts above. ( Asking nice opens more doors than banging your head against it in this forum it seems. Who would have thought.)
I will at least be able to buy a used Kronos 61 and activate my EXs 65 library. Maybe some day I may do that.

So maybe in the not to far future they may make this official.
At the moment we have to ask explicitly for it.
I still think that should have been possible from the begining.
It´s also bad that you loose all the infos what you purchased for a Kronos if you remove him from your account for whatever reasons.
Korg.com customer interface seems to be from pre www times? Do they use a multiuser DB with roleback, audit trail and logging? Maybe the NSA remembers which Kronos IDs were in my posession

wkr

[Ojustaboo]

Korg Sevice informed me that it´s possible to transfer a licence from one machine to another if I send the S/N and machine ID, if I change from one Kronos to a new one.
( Asking nice opens more doors than banging your head against it in this forum it seems. Who would have thought.)

So maybe in the not to far future they may make this official.
I still think that should have been possible from the begining.
It´s also bad that you loose all the infos what you purchased for a Kronos if you remove him from your account for whatever reasons.

wkr

Interesting, I wonder if that means they will let you transfer a licence to another person too

[Saxifraga]

Korg Sevice informed me that it´s possible to transfer a licence from one machine to another if I send the S/N and machine ID, if I change from one Kronos to a new one.
( Asking nice opens more doors than banging your head against it in this forum it seems. Who would have thought.)

So maybe in the not to far future they may make this official.
I still think that should have been possible from the begining.
It´s also bad that you loose all the infos what you purchased for a Kronos if you remove him from your account for whatever reasons.

wkr

Interesting, I wonder if that means they will let you transfer a licence to another person too

I think not. (I could try if you want, but you seemd to be not that interested in Analog sounds. Or are you?) I think they want me back as a customer and do me a favour because I kicked the Kronos out of the door.

[Ojustaboo]

Korg Sevice informed me that it´s possible to transfer a licence from one machine to another if I send the S/N and machine ID, if I change from one Kronos to a new one.
( Asking nice opens more doors than banging your head against it in this forum it seems. Who would have thought.)

So maybe in the not to far future they may make this official.
I still think that should have been possible from the begining.
It´s also bad that you loose all the infos what you purchased for a Kronos if you remove him from your account for whatever reasons.

wkr

Interesting, I wonder if that means they will let you transfer a licence to another person too

I think not. (I could try if you want, but you seemd to be not that interested in Analog sounds. Or are you?) I think they want me back as a customer and do me a favour because I kicked the Kronos out of the door.

If its not too much hassle, I'd appreciate it. But if it is, then don't worry. I can never have too many sounds and I do like analogue a lot.

[Bertotti]

Here is the reply to my question about losing the public is because of a authorized repair.

Like anything a lot is done case by case I think as was states in this reply.

"ello John,

In such a rare situation (and this would be extremely rare), I would imagine that some type of accommodation could be arranged working with the customer and service center together. This would of course be handled on a case-by-case basis."


I am happy enough with the replies to consider the e pa soon I would like but still not running to purchase it.