Turkish Delight?

Beemer · Post by **Beemer** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:23 am

It is beyond my comprehension how this music is enjoyed even by the Turks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYfG5riq3I

Please no comments about bagpipes!

Ian (In Scotland)

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:53 pm

Beemer wrote:It is beyond my comprehension how this music is enjoyed even by the Turks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYfG5riq3I

Please no comments about bagpipes!

Ian (In Scotland)

It helps to have your brain programmed from birth to hear the 1/4 tones as melodic. It's like language, there are some languages I would be hopeless at learning because I didn't learn to make the unique sounds required as a baby when my brain was being 'wired' for my native tongue.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:13 pm

I have been brought up with all genres of "Western Music" ranging from classics to modern day and I openly admit that I am now loving Eastern music.
I find the scales and instruments create a whole different feeling in music.

The guy that bought my PA2XPro a few years ago played Eastern music and played some numbers for me before he took it away - I was blown away - the music was haunting and vibrant - really don't know how to describe it - would have loved to have half the talent he had too!!!

Cheers

Pete

Giner · Post by **Giner** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:37 pm

I lived in Adana, Turkey about 45 years ago for six months, so got to hear some pretty authentic grassroots stuff. I never did take to it too much - as Thoraldus says, I think you need to be hardwired to it from early on.

What I do find myself enjoying these days, though, is some of the modern Indian music. I'm not hardwired from an early age to that, either, but there really are some interesting sounds and rhythms.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:16 pm

Beemer wrote:It is beyond my comprehension how this music is enjoyed even by the Turks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYfG5riq3I

Please no comments about bagpipes!

Ian (In Scotland)

Hi Ian,
Come on! It's not exactly clear what part of this is beyond your comprehension. Are you having problems understanding the Eastern scales? Is it the quartertone that's bothering you? horrible performance? cellphone quality sound/video? All the above?

To be honest what you said didn't make sense at all.

It's pretty much like if I had posted something like this:

oh, I can't believe how even Americans can possibly enjoy Banjo/Bluegrass....etc...!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vEdjP0K5Zk

So now that you know what Banjo is all about (based on this video) , do you like it or not?

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:52 pm

Sam,

Wish I could play Banjo that bad!

I do enjoy Middle Eastern music, especially the ...

Oud Duduk & Ney

cheers,
Rick

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:57 pm

Ian,

Here you go ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYyiyLBUu1E

A more familiar Turkish instrument?

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:23 pm

Thoraldus wrote:Sam,

Wish I could play Banjo that bad!

I do enjoy Middle Eastern music, especially the ...

Oud Duduk & Ney

cheers,
Rick

ha ha ha... I'm sure all of us can manage to play the Banjo that bad!

The point is you can't just simply search for the crappiest video you can find and then use that to come to an even more crappier conclusion! Almost all composers these days use non standard scales and ethnic instruments from all over the world in their compositions. Sounds like Ian can definitely use a music appreciation class... There's a whole world of music beyond minor and major scales.

Beemer · Post by **Beemer** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:12 pm

Sam,

I listened to the banjo and its sound and rhythm were already well known to me. I did not think the performance was the best that I have heard.

However you made a valid point as you will see in my next reply.

Ian

Beemer · Post by **Beemer** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:18 pm

Rick,

I listened to all 7 1/2 minutes of the 13 performances. I'm mellowing to the sound and did not find it at all annoying.

I'm now going back to hear the original PA3x performance to see if I can appreciate a) the music and b) the performance.

I'll be back!

Ian

Beemer · Post by **Beemer** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:34 pm

Sam,

I listened again to ayhan uçar and with the exception of the passage timed at 2:10 to 2:20 it was excruciating to listen to. To me it appeared that the performer was not taking any notice of timing and there were several times where it sounded that he was wildly improvising.

I admit to not having listened to other Middle Eastern music so I don't know whether those familiar with it would find this particular performance pleasing?

Ian

Beemer · Post by **Beemer** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:17 pm

Assyrianpianist wrote:
Thoraldus wrote:Sam,

Wish I could play Banjo that bad!

I do enjoy Middle Eastern music, especially the ...

Oud Duduk & Ney

cheers,
Rick
ha ha ha... I'm sure all of us can manage to play the Banjo that bad!

The point is you can't just simply search for the crappiest video you can find and then use that to come to an even more crappier conclusion! Almost all composers these days use non standard scales and ethnic instruments from all over the world in their compositions. Sounds like Ian can definitely use a music appreciation class... There's a whole world of music beyond minor and major scales.

Sam,

All I did in You Tube was to enter PA3x and filter to only "this week". I did not search "for the crappiest video" as you said.

As you can see above I have made an effort to listen to the suggested music and "mellowed" to it but not to the music performance I first mentioned.

Your also said "Sounds like Ian can definitely use a music appreciation class" I wonder how you appreciate these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zFDumorPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqvBvOXV3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE6n2VBo2cM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_dnflTagHM

Ian

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:32 am

Beemer wrote:
Assyrianpianist wrote:
Thoraldus wrote:Sam,

Wish I could play Banjo that bad!

I do enjoy Middle Eastern music, especially the ...

Oud Duduk & Ney

cheers,
Rick
ha ha ha... I'm sure all of us can manage to play the Banjo that bad!

The point is you can't just simply search for the crappiest video you can find and then use that to come to an even more crappier conclusion! Almost all composers these days use non standard scales and ethnic instruments from all over the world in their compositions. Sounds like Ian can definitely use a music appreciation class... There's a whole world of music beyond minor and major scales.
Sam,

All I did in You Tube was to enter PA3x and filter to only "this week". I did not search "for the crappiest video" as you said.

As you can see above I have made an effort to listen to the suggested music and "mellowed" to it but not to the music performance I first mentioned.

Your also said "Sounds like Ian can definitely use a music appreciation class" I wonder how you appreciate these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zFDumorPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqvBvOXV3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE6n2VBo2cM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_dnflTagHM

Ian

Ian,

I wanted you to know that I was totally serious about my suggestion for you to take a few courses to learn more about music. You will only benefit from it.

I work in a post production studio at least 40 to 50 hours a week and I can't tell you how many hours we deal with things related to all 4 links that you just posted!!!

I'll let you do the research yourself on the first two links to find out for yourself how those techniques had the greatest impact on electronic instruments and what you hear now all day in TV and Radio.

The last two links: ....."John Cage"? are you serious? Did you know more than half of the movies that you see use atonal scales? Even the most musical movie uses means other than major and minor scales to get the point across. Many modern composers use graphic notation to play none melodic/rhythmic phrases...It happens every day!

Yes, you wouldn't appreciate someone singing atonal music at a restaurant while you're trying to have some wine! You wouldn't appreciate someone singing Chinese songs in a Mexican bar! .... Everything has its own place.

I think I'll stop right here.

Beemer · Post by **Beemer** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:48 am

Thoraldus wrote:Sam,

Wish I could play Banjo that bad!

I do enjoy Middle Eastern music, especially the ...

Oud Duduk & Ney

cheers,
Rick

Rick,

I've just got round to listening to your links to Oud, Duduk and Ney instrument performances. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to them all.

Ian

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