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pro doesnt have arp patterns when the KO2 has the 50 patterns, how is the gate arp supposed to compensate for the 50 patterns when i have to create what shouldve already been included, so basically pro equates to less? why create patterns only to not implement them in half of future hardware? if im supposed to create a work around for something that existed and exists on other modern kaos products whats the point, why bother with including the drum patterns then? since im already getting a backwards learning curve on pro products, if anything the pro or pro+ shouldve instituted more arp patterns. wtf!

Here's my comment about the patterns from 3.5 years ago:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 087#319087

i really like the kpro's arp, with a little rhythm and imagination you can get just as creative as 50 presets...plus your stuff will sound more original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHI6_IhDSQw

@xmlguy you hit the nail on the head, and that it hasnt been addressed/implemented is another example of KORGs' lack of keeping these products synonamous with others in line with the kaoss family, after seeing the post is 3.5 yo just tells me that korg wants the pro or pro+ to be inferior to its portable sibling the KO2, whats worse is reading reviews of the product when the reviewer should have been up in arms over removal of 50 (kinda of a big #) patterns that are a great example of what a machine with preset patterns is capable of. my underlying question is will korg return the 50 arp patt that users never wanted removed.

@bow ive seen your vids and they explain nothing, have you even used the 50 patterns, with your thinking the drum patterns should be dissolved because i can just create the pattern i seek, check the arp pattern 20-50, they arent a repetivive stutter, they have elongated parts that include short stutters, you cant create an arp pattern preset unless it is one of the low level arps that are just a continuous stutter, you bring nothing to the conversation! i can create numerous melodies with the arp presets, are you really saying that anyone who uses the arp patterns are less original and creative then someone is forced to invent arp patterns that are nowhere as pristine as the preset patterns, why does the KO2 have the presets then? youre self promoting vids are pointless as they show no way to create the arp patterns, your kind of thinking is going the way of the do-do bird, you must be angry at everyone who actually isnt as creative as you because we have preset drum/arp patterns and utilize them, creation isnt about only being pigeon held or a company implementing preset patterns on one product and not on another. the fact that your vid says arp demo but immediately uses drum patterns to start off shows you dont understand what the preset arp were capable of, my KO2 has the 50 arp patt., and it has arp time and arp swing adjustments available, the figure it out yourself argument is the worst kind of thinking when the other products dont limit you, anyone who thinks having the preset patterns is a hinderance needs to realize 2 steps forward and 3 steps back is ignorant, you want to create without preset patterns and feel superior to others because you cant mimic what you dont have to. ignorant self promoting hypocrite, answer the addressed topic of gtfotw, why dont you stop using the drum patterns since creating the pattern yourself is your goal, most people would be as surprised as i am that a machine called pro has less features then a portable of the same family

hahaha wow man, you assume a lot!

I was just showing that you don't have to have 50 preset pattern to make interest arps with the kpro...

yes i have used the patterns

no i never said anything about anyone not being creative....ever....i said that you can get way more than 50 patterns if you want, because the possibilities with the arp and gate time are essentially infinite, you just need to take some time and pre-planning to get them out correctly...and i meant original as in "i can make my own that aren't included in the 50 presets"...and even more on that point, i never even implied that YOU weren't creative, I've never even heard your stuff!!!

and you do realize that arps work with patterns as well as individual synth sounds, right? that is what I was showing...

I am not self-promoting...it was an instructional video i made once when i realized how powerful even a simple 3/4 arpeggio can be when combined with other patterns and layered over normal drum beats...i showed specifically that all i did to get that weird pattern is pick a gate length and hold the pad....

you are correct here though "creation isn't about only being pigeon held [holed] or a company implementing preset patterns on one product and not on another" ....as creation is dependent on nothing but your own creativity!

I am clearly demonstrating a way to use a simple arp in a new way...i never once said it was a hindrance...you seem pretty defensive for no reason!

maybe you assumed that something being labeled as PRO meant it would have every feature and then some...but that was not the case...it has many features the other Koass products do not, and left some out...did you research the product before you bought it?

anyone who read anything about it would know instantly that there are no preset arp patterns...this board and many other have been discussing it since before the product even came out...

in my mind, the PRO name is much more of a description of its increased tones and flexibility, not a note that it has every feature ever implemented in a kaoss product...but that's just me

in the end, I am happy with my purchase...and you seem not to be, so maybe that is why you sound so defensive over things I never even implied? Have fun with your machine, and next time read the manual before you buy!

in this video, around 3:30, I show how you can create live arpeggios on the fly of any long length by using a 16th beat rhythm and a longer gate time to cut out or add longer notes....you can buy my instructional dvd for $27.99 hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aih6AMS8 ... 3&index=39

and this is the kicker

"you cant create an arp pattern preset unless it is one of the low level arps that are just a continuous stutter"

no man, YOU CAN'T...I can...it took a while to master, but I certainly can...and it means nothing to anyone's creativity or originality that they decide to use presets...all I was saying is that my first reaction was "what no presets" and then I sat down and did some work and found it quite easy, flexible, and music...maybe you just need some more time and patience and practice? That was was not sarcasm, just the words of someone who overcame what you are lamenting.

someone once told me i coudln't do poly rhythms either, and my little demo shows precisely that

I'm going through this in reverse. I got the KPro a few years back and was quite content with the arp gate. Then I got a ko2 a few months ago and discovered the 50 arp patterns for the first time. Now I don't want one or the other, I want the functionality of both.

But Korg is generally stubborn and we won't see this happen. They would have to admit that they may have made a poor decision and that never seems to happen.

i think for them it was a great decision, as it forces folks to buy the different products to get all the features, and allows flexibility if you don't want other features...

its in your arrogance of "with a little imagination" that you hit the wall.
also youre vid arent instructional as they dont instruct anything, maybe if they actually had some sort of, im using this for example then im going to implement this, rather then noise upon noise without any INSTRUCTION! even some guy in the comments said that the knob on the back wasnt mentioned.
you are the worst kind of person when you say, "it forces people" and you revel in it. go buy more products is just about the most backwards answer ever.


youre joke about instructional vid with price is another example of a arrogant no nothing that spouts off insults rather then deals with the issue.

go troll someone else you pos, no one has a crystal ball telling themselves what synth loopers they may get in 3 years, and after already owning the KO2 yes i figured PRO meant all the portable has and more like all products tend to be
these forums are for people seeking answers but i guess there for you to promote yourself as the troll that you are. xmlguy answered the post.
while you throw the im more creative because im limited argument
yea i assumed too much, but you dont have to be a troll about it.

people seeking help dont need to hear "i can do it, YOU CANT" when they are obviously on a forum seeking help/answers

f*ck*ng trolls

i am sorry you took that as arrogant...it was simply a statement of fact that you need to use your brain in order to get something intricate out of a machine...any machine

did you read the text of the video? it explains exactly what I do...then i labeled why i am pressing the buttons in the video....i did not mention the switch in the back BECAUSE I DON'T USE IT!!!! the video assume s abasic level of familiarity with the machine....hence why it says advanced and not beginner in the video

this is hilarious dude...i am not more creative than anyone...i was not trolling anyone...you told me i cant do it, i said i can...i think anyone can, you just have to practice a little (this in no way implies that you don't practice), plan a little (not implying you don't), and read a little before you buy something (no need for a crystal ball, just a downloaded PDF)

I am sorry you were incorrect in your assumptions of the product....and the DVD comment was a play on your "self promotion"...which never would have been brought up had you not attacked me for *gasp* suggesting that maybe you CAN do great arps with the KPRO....plenty of us enjoy it...that doesn't mean we are bad people....just different in opinion that you...perhaps you came here looking for everyone to jump on the pity wagon?

when people come to the board asking "why can't i do this" and i reply with a way in which you can do it, that is not trolling, that is answering the question...maybe it's not the answer you liked, but luckily the internet is not made just for you! plenty of people have found my instruction helpful...i never said anyone should buy more products, just that all the features are offered in different products if you HAVE to have them...

come back in a day or two when you are not so angry and maybe the tone you are reading in your head won;t be there...as I never intended it and was only trying to help...

hope you find a kaoss product you like, i know i have loved all of mine and have been having fun with them for years!

the original questions does the kpro have arp patterns????????

answer: no, you have to use a combination of the gate time and arp speed to create custom patterns on the fly, which cannot be saved.

you still here, you pos troll, no im not supporting you or your vids, go sell a time share troll, im not sending you money troll.
someone flag this troll as i dont see a report button.
moderators remove this troll.

nice...real friendly, welcome to the community

xmlguy was welcoming and answered my question
you are the troll, look at how long it took you to respond
without anything helpful, youre immediate and rude
why because youre trolling me.
the community seeking help doesnt need you or your belittling condescension.
leave me alone troll. get it! got it! wait for it....... yep trolled again
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