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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:09 am
by Asena
Well, PETE, ROB is my best friend , He offered to KORG, And For free, No one returned back to him,
I,m happy for you, who plays and enjoy the Pa3X.

Many of us love,s the KB BUT, please open you,r mind for new changes in this Game,
Audya is Still there And they are back whit many great things on that KB,

Roland Has soon a Program that can make almoust evryting on PC, Gues who maded that one.

And about the Best KB, there is no KB that,s best, its Far far away, Couse they must hide all the best things that can be inside them,

BUT there is solutions,

I use pa series long time now, And from Pa 80 to PA 3 X, In my mind it,s many news and functions.
We still need many things to, it,s because of we want more.

I want KORG to stay in my HOME, as a Family member.
until now, they could give us some program that can make this KB better.
For now, I,m satisfied whit the KB couse of my own Sounds and samples.But to get there, It,s killing me, CPU and other things must be better,

FASTER

this is a FORUM, we can recuest things, it dont mean they will make it, It,s only a dream zone ;)

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:40 am
by liongold
+++1, Pete!
Liongold 8)

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:24 pm
by Veren
Its all too good for those primarily wanting western sounds as they are not really subject to the issue of different kits and sounds etc that are not on the board but user loaded which is a nightmare to manage etc.

This is why we get nowhere.

The Yamaha community stick together with the only intention to help all users in every way possible and the fact that Yamaha makes available their source codes etc makes 3rd party development highly possible ... just look at the work done by Mr Michael Bedesem and Jososoft's Jørgen Sørensen. I've come from yamaha side and do know most of their drawbacks too so dont go blasting me on the above.

Being tight lipped is not acceptable, at least say why we cannot get an editor etc rather than we all speculating and some also living with hope that things will change. This could be a whole life time with no satisfactory change and new buyers too could be coming in with belief only to realise once they got your hard earned cash, they simply dwell in their next creation whilst we struggle along unheard/ignored.

With all the masterminds at Korg that design these incredible machines its hard to belive that they cannot find a way to simplify the file management process etc whilst still protecting their interests.

It would be nice if they said something officially at least then we know where we stand.

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:49 pm
by karmathanever
Veren wrote:Being tight lipped is not acceptable, at least say why we cannot get an editor etc rather than we all speculating and some also living with hope that things will change.
Seems that the above is aimed at Korg? The forum will not respond nor needs to.
YES - this is a good place for us to discuss issues and problems and vent our feelings but if we want something to happen, we should be talking to Korg Italy - then we can judge if they are "tight-lipped" or not.
It would be nice if they said something officially at least then we know where we stand.
So, why not ask them.... ?
I have asked Korg Italy a few questions in the past - always courteously received a response. I restricted my few questions to really significant issues and not wishlists though...
Veren wrote:I've come from yamaha side and do know most of their drawbacks too so dont go blasting me on the above.
No-one will blast you - at least you came FROM Yamaha :wink:

Cheers

Pete :D

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:30 pm
by Veren
Hi Pete

I was directing my viewpoints to the forum and not Korg but would like for the Korg personnel that browse this site to know that there is a united feeling about these issues. When we go at each other and downplay others concerns etc it would surely make companies believe that they need not worry as the users themselves dont know what is really needed.

I do think that all on the forum and users that frequent the internet will be certain that this could only relate to Korg Italy.

What pushed me away from Yamaha was their incomplete manuals (great lack of clarity...applies to Korg arrangers too a little lesser though) and the limited onboard editing/tailoring of sounds (excelled by Korg) . Their sound is brilliant as polished sound for mastering etc but dont work for me for a live situation (personal opinion...too polished for live).

I am really having a nightmare with file/style/sound management as i do not primarily rely on the onboard styles and sound.

So for all those that are happy, well good for you (respectfully) but consider where we are coming from too or rather what we are trying to achieve with external resources (mostly) to be used onboard and the difficulties we face managing same.

thanx

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:04 pm
by cabelu61
+++++++++1

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:19 am
by karmathanever
I am really having a nightmare with file/style/sound management as i do not primarily rely on the onboard styles and sound.
Hi Veren

Please don't misinterpret my messages here - I completely understand that you and some others are really in need of such an editor.

Maybe, collectively, you could put a detailed case together with a decent definition of its functionality. There often seems to be a lot of editor wishes which are very specific and personal. If all those wishes could be put together and then sent to Korg for evaluation maybe you might get a response.
I am looking at it from Korg's point of view here. If I was Korg, reading these "wishes" I would want a lot more detail and support for the proposed software before considering the investment of time and effort. Also Korg should know who is prepared to cover the cost (i.e. pay for it) and what would purchasers be prepared to pay.

Anyhow, I truly hope you can get this going but someone needs to "own" it, get the information and support and then present it to Korg.
I guess the worst that can happen is that Korg say they cannot afford the risk and resources but at least you will have an answer.

Korg do browse these froums but I doubt they will spend time trying to find all the Editor messages.

Cheers

Pete :D

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:29 am
by Asena
Hello Pete, , I think KORG do not need to search to deep for what we are after here, Couse Like after 8 Years of the pa series they know that we realy want this and need it. Couse some of us are going deep in making Sounds samples etc., And it,s Only for managing Sounds Samples and styles, We are not after the huge Change here for OS, or hidden DLL,s . We belive it can be done by KORG.

PAY FOR IT ??? , Yes why not if it,s saving time for me,

Time is money, i think.

And i must say thank you all, for heaving the same conclution whit me and also you need this.

About mailing to KORG, Yes we did that PETE :wink:
But nothing is there :( :?: :roll:
Maybe You can help us to tell them, Couse you may heave better contact there.
If so Please talk to them.
Thank you all, And take care.

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:31 am
by Asena
Hello Pete, , I think KORG do not need to search to deep for what we are after here, Couse Like after 8 Years of the pa series they know that we realy want this and need it. Couse some of us are going deep in making Sounds samples etc., And it,s Only for managing Sounds Samples and styles, We are not after the huge Change here for OS, or hidden DLL,s . We belive it can be done by KORG.

PAY FOR IT ??? , Yes why not if it,s saving time for me,

Time is money, i think.

And i must say thank you all, for heaving the same conclution whit me and also you need this.

About mailing to KORG, Yes we did that PETE :wink:
But nothing is there :( :?: :roll:
Maybe You can help us to tell them, Couse you may heave better contact there.
If so Please talk to them.
Thank you all, And take care.

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:55 am
by Veren
just back

Asena, its a pleasure to support common goals that would benefit alot.

Pete, thanks for seeing it from our side too.

As Asena pointed out, the request for editor has been around since the begining and Korg is fully aware and propositions have been put through.

Thanks and appreciated

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:09 am
by karmathanever
Hi Asena and anyone else interested...

Firstly, please understand that I, personally, have no requirements for a PA3X EDITOR because I mostly cannot be bothered using my PC for anything related to my arrangers - I configure and resolve things on the keyboard itself. I have enjoyed the on-board editing and other facilities since my i3 and doubt my needs will change.

Another issue with all this is that, if Korg actually agreed to create a PA3X Editor, then immediately PA800/PA2X/PA600/PA900 owners will want one!!

OK - so let's try something....
I will post a new topic "KORG Professional Arrangers EDITOR REQUIREMENTS" with links from all PA forums.
This is an opportunity to submit your editor needs.
I know there are topics in the past all over the forums but I am not going searching.
I will monitor the topic and delete everything that is irrelevant.
The assumption will also be that any interested owners would be prepared to buy such a PA Editor.
When there is a reasonable collection of requirements which could represent a "definition" I will produce a summary definition of the Editor for your approval and eventually lock the topic.
I will not contact Korg directly but will bring the topic to Korg's attention (hopefully they will see it anyway).
I don't know if this will make any difference but I am happy to try.

I will only proceed subject to your response to this.

Cheers

Pete :D

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:22 am
by Veren
Hi Pete

Thank you and greatly appreciated

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:27 pm
by Asena
Pete it,s god idea, THANK YOU!

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:36 pm
by paul
go for it Pete.

Paul

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:03 pm
by SKung
karmathanever wrote: Another issue with all this is that, if Korg actually agreed to create a PA3X Editor, then immediately PA800/PA2X/PA600/PA900 owners will want one!!
PA800/PA2X/PA500/PA600/PA900 users want a pc editor for years.
And you forgot the PA1X/PA1XPro user who were the first users who wanted pc editors. Just search this forum:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... b23c8469df
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... b23c8469df

The subsumptions of these request:
"We need a pc editor" - no answer
"If we would know the internal controls of the PA## we could program our own editors" - no answer