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Well my brain hurts! I have been trying to set up the K61 as the master and the PX 5s. I can make a combi and play different sounds on each using the ext2 function. That seems straight forward. Where I get lost is how to send program changes to the PX. Can this be done from both a combi and a program? I'm thinking just a combi. The folks at the Casio forum says I need to input 3 things Program Bank, MSB and LSB. I see the MSB and LSB but no Program bank. I clicked on the arrow above the EXT2 toggle and put it in there. saved the combi and tried it and no change to the PX. On the PX I have the basic MIDI channel to 01 same as the global channel on the K61. I have the Zone midi channel on the same channel as the timbre 1 want to play on the Kronos from the PX. I am using PB=112 MSB=36 and LSB=77. If anyone has this setup and might be able to see where I am going wrong here, would be most grateful. My goal is to be able to change sounds from set list mode and have it change the Casio to the Stage settings I want. Some will be just triggering Timbres from the K61 on the entire keyboard or splits and maybe even layers from either or both keyboards. Thanks

I've always used the second keyboard to trigger the sounds from the main keyboard. In other words, all sound comes from the Kronos. This way, all programming is done on the Kronos and the 88-key keyboard is just a "dumb" controller.

Trying to play two keyboards from each other both ways is fairly complicated. Since my best sounds are in the Kronos that works for me.

Geo

You need t set the PX to a different channel to the Kronos.

Then you use your EXT or EXT2 timbre set to that MIDI channel to do any combination of:
- Send program change, volume, and pan settings
- Play notes from the Kronos keyboard

You can stop notes being sent by changing the keyzone. You can stop controllers from being sent by changing the timbre MIDI filter settings.
You can stop controlling the PX alltogether by not using any EXT or EXT2 timbre on that channel.

MSB and LSB work together to select the program bank. The exact numbers to use will depend on your keyboard's MIDI implementation.
EXT mode does away with these by using the standard Korg bank mapping. In this case you will be able to select programs the normal way but they won't actually correspond by name/category unless you're connecting another Kronos with all the same data. However A-55, B-120 etc. would still select the appropriate program or combi patch slot on another korg workstation for example.
Program number is set in the same place you set the program for any other timbre (ones that are using Int or Both mode for example).

Working this way (with the PX on a different channel), if you have MIDI OUT from the PX to MIDI IN of the Kronos, you should be able to set up timbres on the Kronos to play from the PX keyboard too. In this case, the timbre should be set to Int (Internal) and set up as usual, but the MIDI channel of the timbre changed to match the MIDI channel you have selected for the PX's global/master channel.

All of this needs to be done in Combi or can often also be done in Song mode. That's generally the place to work when more than one sound or channel is involved. Program mode is for more basic individual sounds and doesn't really have any MIDI channel settings to do any of the above.

Hi Geo, I am doing it that way right now but it is a shame to waste some great sounds on the PX. The technology is there I need to use it!

X-Trade thanks for the reply! Maybe I am missing something, but I changed the Midi channel on the PX to 11 and left the K on 01. The Timbre I play on the K is set to 01G and the one I play from the PX is set to 16. The zone that I am playing in on the PX is set to 16. All plays fine. Now I want to see if I can make the PX change to a different program. (anything for now I am just testing and learning). So I put into one of the channels in the Combi(#8 in this case) a 036 for MSB, 077 for LSB, 112 in the field above the ext2 toggle. (leave the toggle at ext2) Save the combi. go to another combi then back to this one hoping a program change and Nothing..... What am I missing...

I can get the PX to change programs randomly when I step through the combi and programs but as soon as I go into an initialized combi slot and set a few programs and change to ext2 put in msb and lsb nothing happens. Extremely frustrated here in beantown. This seams like a simple matter but appeaantly not!

I can't follow exactly what you're doing, but there are 4 items that need to be set for the Kronos to send a Program Change to another keyboard using EX2.

MSB bank select for the desired sound on the second keboard, in the MSB field

LSB bank select for the desired sound on the second keyboard, in the LSB field

Program Change for the desired sound on the second keyboard, by selecting the same numbered Kronos INT sound (that, to me, is the most unintuitive part of the process)

The MIDI channel you want to send all of this to (i.e. if your PX5S is set to received on MIDI channel 11, you have to set the MIDI transmit channel to 11. You said you picked channel 8 of the Combi, which defaults to MIDI channel 8, so maybe you neglected to change it to 11?)

Again, I'm not exactly sure what your situation is, but maybe that will help.

Hi Scott, sorry it's hard to explain what your doing when I really don't know what i'm doing I do have channel 8 of the combi set to midi channel 11. You said MSB and LSB and I see where they go in the combi settings but where to the program change part go?

Finally got the answer, a member of the PX-5s forum pointed me to a thread of someone on the yamaha forum who wanted to do the same thing with a yammy and a Kronos. The answer lies in where you put the program number. the MSB and LSB have labeled fields to enter info but the program number is not on that page. You enter the program number on the main combi page where you would enter an internal program into a combi. Though I would let everyone know in case they are having the same problem I had. FYI

Glad you got the answer. Yup, the Program Change goes elsewhere apart form the MSB/LSB, it is derived from the selection of an Internal program that uses the same number. Like I said, that's the most unintuitive part of the process!