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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:37 pm
by Bachus
Kevin Nolan wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:Considering how many people still prefer the Motif sound and workflow to the more advanced alternatives, I doubt they will change anything, nor need to, anytime soon.
I agree with you there. The Motif is built like a tank, and offers all the bases for the gigging musician. If it's good enough for Stevie Wonder, then it's good enough for everyone else.

I think Korg were very smart in getting Herbie Hancock on board with OASYS for a similar reason, though surely reliability issues with Kronos put a lot of people off; while the Fantom range has too often been regarded as an ambitious project with too many half-finished ideas for comfort.

Motif on the other hand offers a reliable sound and rock-solid construction.

But I feel we're kind of debating something else - innovation, forward thinking - a bit of risk taking - that sort of thing (and Korg have been excellent in all of those of late). Motif in that regard is arguably a step backwards for Yamaha. Even the SY77 (released in 1989/1990) advanced the S&S concept by introducing AFM and RCM synthesis, while the EX5 provided astounding FDSP, VL and AN technologies too. By comparison, Motif is S&S only - essentially nothing different (other than quality) to an M1. It's like a nice pair of old slippers, or a nice comfortable cardigan.

Yamaha were among the very best at innovation until around 1998 - 2000; and it is that spirit of creativity that I for one miss. I also miss, by the way, the likes of Stevie Wonder creating music on the likes of a Yamaha GX1 or ARP2600. However unreliable those instruments are, they helped define his sound; and the Motif does no such thing. It offers him reliability when playing live, but I've been to see him live and the sound is NOT iconic, and more 'tribute band' level. So Motif is fine for what it does; but for many, perhaps most (unknowingly) it does not inspire (even the artists themselves) - though I will admit, as the range has matured it is better sounding (especially it's filters).

Kevin.
Reliabillity issues with the Kronos?

I must have been lucky then... Neverr had any issues with mine, allways performing flawlessly...and a great keybed feel... Same goes for all those people i know that own a Kronos... One had an early model with some keytroubles, but the keybed got rappidly replaced...

Problem with the internet and forums like this one is that everyone that has a problem posts it inhere, which makes it look like their are many problems..

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:11 pm
by Kevin Nolan
Bachus wrote:
Reliabillity issues with the Kronos?

I must have been lucky then...
you must have been. Head on over to the Kronos Forum and type in the search term "keybed".

You'll find there what you seem to have missed, some how! This is a Motif Thread, so suggest we don't start another debate on the Kronos here.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:27 am
by Bachus
Kevin Nolan wrote:
Bachus wrote:
Reliabillity issues with the Kronos?

I must have been lucky then...
you must have been. Head on over to the Kronos Forum and type in the search term "keybed".

You'll find there what you seem to have missed, some how! This is a Motif Thread, so suggest we don't start another debate on the Kronos here.
I think you have an old grunge... the failing Keybed is a thing of the past, certainly by now everyone with a first series must have them replaced..

And i cant find a single keybed complaint about the Kronos X, personally i think with problems like these, the internet only works like a magnifying glass..espescially on user forums like these..

Now go to Motifator and count the number of posts of people having trouble with their Motif... you will find dozens of them..

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:29 am
by Kevin Nolan
No grudge here - never owned one!

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:44 am
by SanderXpander
The keybed thing was a very widespread issue and even a bunch of 61s have had keyboard problems. Thankfully it seems to be solved for the X series.

Other than the odd user experiences some crash or reboot I don't think there have been serious issues.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:26 pm
by PauloF
I thought this was a Latest News Thread...

Get over it guys

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:59 pm
by SanderXpander
In that case we should hardly be discussing the Motif line to begin with :)