Korg UK have just accused me of being un-professional!

JeffB63 · Post by **JeffB63** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:43 pm

According to KORG UK, based on a conversation I've just had with them, if you're using a PC for live performance you're not professional and should go out and buy a Mac immediately!

Perhaps some of you PC based musicians would like to let them know that not being bothered or able to write ASIO drivers for their professional workstation is in fact making them the un-professional ones!

I just want to be able to use my Kronos as the audio/midi interface for my laptop without having to resort to ASIO4All.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:54 pm

I have used PCs live for years. I do the average commercial party bands, some large name national things (one mainly) and some DJing, all PC based. I use Ableton, Sonar, Maschine and Traktor.

I've used OSX too but I am comfortable enough around Windows so there are no real advantages for me to using Mac. It's just a lot more expensive and requires more frequent upgrades.

I notice this disdain of PCs a lot though. It feels more like some elitist thing to me, to be honest. Akin to the inherent disrespect in the question "and can you live from making music?"

EDIT:
By the way, I'm pretty sure none of the people working at Korg UK can be considered professional musicians.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:06 pm

I can't believe anybody would actually come out and sat that. Wow! I guess that makes me a complete beginner because I don't use a computer at all in my live rig.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:11 pm

JeffB63 wrote:According to KORG UK, based on a conversation I've just had with them, if you're using a PC for live performance you're not professional and should go out and buy a Mac immediately!

actually, you should go out and buy 2 macs

JeffB63 · Post by **JeffB63** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:16 pm

GregC wrote:
JeffB63 wrote:According to KORG UK, based on a conversation I've just had with them, if you're using a PC for live performance you're not professional and should go out and buy a Mac immediately!

actually, you should go out and buy 2 macs

I might buy 2 Big Macs and perhaps some fries.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:21 pm

JeffB63 wrote:
GregC wrote:
JeffB63 wrote:According to KORG UK, based on a conversation I've just had with them, if you're using a PC for live performance you're not professional and should go out and buy a Mac immediately!

actually, you should go out and buy 2 macs

I might buy 2 Big Macs and perhaps some fries.

Then you could invite Korg UK to join you for lunch

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:24 pm

SanderXpander wrote:.

I've used OSX too but I am comfortable enough around Windows so there are no real advantages for me to using Mac. It's just a lot more expensive and requires more frequent upgrades.

I notice this disdain of PCs a lot though. It feels more like some elitist thing to me, to be honest. Akin to the inherent disrespect in the question "and can you live from making music?"

EDIT:
By the way, I'm pretty sure none of the people working at Korg UK can be considered professional musicians.

OSX is very expensive. Apple gave me Lion for free and charged me $10 shipping for Snow Leopard. I was so outraged. I was ready to send back my 3 yr old mac and the engraved gold elitist badge

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:30 pm

Well, since Mac OSX has never added touchscreen support.... Its currently trailing windows 8 daws by a mile..

Try setting up your Windows 8.1 Pc with a 27" full HD touchscreen... Set it up on top of your K88 add ableton, some VSTs and see what a huge touchscreen can do for you what Mac osx cant...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:41 pm

Fair enough Greg, OSX is cheap. I can still build my own Mac Pro spec PC for less then half of what Apple charges. That doesn't have to work for you, it's just why I personally use PC.

And you have to admit that at least half the Apple users claim that on THEIR system everything "just works" whereas Windows is tricky and buggy and crashes a lot. I know for a fact that neither of these things are the case, though I will say that Mac tends to auto-manage and hide a few processes that can or are expected to be user-modified (for better or worse) on Windows.
I'm personally comfortable enough doing that though.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:00 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Fair enough Greg, OSX is cheap. I can still build my own Mac Pro spec PC for less then half of what Apple charges. That doesn't have to work for you, it's just why I personally use PC.

And you have to admit that at least half the Apple users claim that on THEIR system everything "just works" whereas Windows is tricky and buggy and crashes a lot. I know for a fact that neither of these things are the case, though I will say that Mac tends to auto-manage and hide a few processes that can or are expected to be user-modified (for better or worse) on Windows.
I'm personally comfortable enough doing that though.

I am not up to date on what half of Apple users think

I will take your word for it. I am still trying to attach a 32" or even a 27" monitor to my 88 Kronos as another poster stated. Good times

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:13 pm

Haha I'm probably pretty sensitive to it. Very nearly all musicians I work with make these claims about their Apple products. Even some non musician friends work on Apple and of a few I am a hundred percent certain it's an image thing for them.

I'll be the last to say Apple doesn't make a lot of good products by the way, just to be clear.

Ksynth · Post by **Ksynth** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:45 pm

The phrase "just works" is classic PR lingo that is perpetuated by those who parrot the company line.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:59 pm

To be fair with Korg UK, when you see the computing equipment on stage when well-known bands are touring, it tends to be Apple computers. The last three concerts I saw where well-known singers/bands were playing, the tech guys were running Apple laptops and MainStage, and usually a main unit + backup unit.

Then again, I remember reading in SoS how Marillion have always been using PCs and Brainspawn forte on stage, meaning PCs can indeed be used on stage with great effect.

So although Korg UK's statement is a bit of a blanket statement, nevertheless there is an element of truth in what they said.

As to whether people tend to turn to Apple when money is no object or purely based on Apple's reputation throughout the years for being the platform used by creative people, including musicians, this is another debate.

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:58 am

JeffB63 wrote:According to KORG UK, based on a conversation I've just had with them, if you're using a PC for live performance you're not professional and should go out and buy a Mac immediately!

Perhaps some of you PC based musicians would like to let them know that not being bothered or able to write ASIO drivers for their professional workstation is in fact making them the un-professional ones!

I just want to be able to use my Kronos as the audio/midi interface for my laptop without having to resort to ASIO4All.

I'm curious, what exactly did Korg UK say on the subject of PC/Mac?

For me personally, I reluctantly started with a Mac SE/30 in the early 90’s. I became a Mac lover in the years that followed. By the end of the classic era, I was pretty tired of the Mac and had considered switching. OSX through Snow Leopard has been pretty satisfying. I've not cared for the direction the Mac has taken since. Windows is annoying to me (YMMV), I'm not enough of a geek to go Linux, so I'm staying with the Mac by default, not choice.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:25 am

My wife and myself have decided that we really need a new computer for home. Our old one is 10 years old and it's on it's last legs. In it's day it was close to the top of the line for a PC.

I've seriously thought about a Mac of some kind but they are pretty much out of our budget. Unless of course we don't want to buy any other things for quite a while; like another synthesizer, big screen tv, etc. Ethel one thing that bugs me about Mac and Apple is that they keep on changing things and expect 3rd party providers to keep up. I'm typing this on an iPad 4. Sure, it's great but why did they have to change the connector? The top of the line Mac doesn't have any DVD burner or anything like that. This "in the cloud" stuff just bugs me. Sure I understand the idea of having remote back up but I also want to have my data close to me.

Mac as far as I've heard has a "quasi bullet proof" thing going on but I'm not entirely sure about that. I don't really want to start another Mac vs PC argument either. I figure if it works for you and you're happy with it, then more power to you and good enough!

We're probably going to buy an HP PC at Costco and be done with it,

Me, I'm going to gut the old computer and see what I can build out of it for fun.

Korg UK is wrong. 'Nuff said"

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