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Change IFX in sequencer mode

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:42 pm
by salomao
Need your help again :-(

Is it possible to change the IFX of a specific track (sequencer mode) at a specific part of the song?

here is an example:

In track 1 I have a piano program (A001) and applyied a reverb effect (routed as IFX 1).

Because all midi tracks are already been used, at measure 40 I created a midi event changing the program in track 1 (to D014 - Musete). However, I would like to change also the IFX assigned to track 1, for example a auto-pan effect (routed as IFX2).

Is this possible?

Thank you all for your help

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:36 pm
by Bald Eagle
You should be able to do it with a Sysex command. Use a midi monitor to see what gets transmitted when you change the effects setting and then insert that into the sequence.

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:39 pm
by salomao
That's too much complicated for me. I do not have the skills to use an external midi device and operate it.

The IFX change, if possible, has to be made in kronos directly :(

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:07 pm
by LZ
if you have any additional IFX available, another option is to chain 2 of them and use MIDI CC's to set Wet/Dry mix for each.

SO for example, IFX 1 (reverb) > IFX 2 (autopan). You could assign Joystick +Y (or any controller) to +99 Wet/Dry on IFX1 and -99 Wet/Dry on IFX2, essentially "toggling" each in and out.

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:11 pm
by SanderXpander
Or record either the piano or musette part as an audio track. Don't forget there are 16 more tracks available.

Pretty sure changing the IFX is doable too but I wouldn't know where to start looking (except what Bald Eagle already suggested). Sometimes a different route can get the same result!

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:21 pm
by jeremykeys
Are you hoping to do this for a live performance or in a recording enviroment?

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:02 am
by salomao
jeremykeys wrote:Are you hoping to do this for a live performance or in a recording enviroment?
Recording environment!
Or record either the piano or musette part as an audio track. Don't forget there are 16 more tracks available.
I would like to try that too, but I found that tryckier than I though! Here are the problems I faced:

1) First of all, when I select the imput (record) source on, let's say, audio track 1, there are severall options. I gess I have to select L or R but when I do so, it means that audio track 1 will only record what is playing in L output. As so, I need to "waste" two audio tracks to properly record the audio of a single midi track.

2) Noticed that when I try to record the whole song (all midi tracks) as an audio track, the IFX effect will be messed in the resulting audio track. For example, a few midi tracks are using stereo auto pan and for some reason, the recorded audio wont reproduce those effects (instead, it seems like the volume of some notes is leveled down).

3) I thougt it was suposed that when you select L or R as audio source for audio track inputs, the result audio track would sound with the same volume level as when playing the midi tracks. For some reason, it doesn't! The resulting audio track sounds allway in a much lower volume level. To obtain an audio file with aproximate same volume level I have to raise 7 or 8 Db in the "volume level" under the preferences tab.

What am I doing wrong?

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:04 am
by SanderXpander
Two audio tracks are needed for a stereo pair, so if it's important that your instrument is stereo you will need to use two tracks. This should account for all the problems you're mentioning. 6dB difference = double/half volume, getting amplitude modulation on one channel means you're getting half of an autopan effect.
You don't HAVE to record with fx by the way, that's just useful when you run out of slots.

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:13 am
by salomao
SanderXpander wrote:Two audio tracks are needed for a stereo pair, so if it's important that your instrument is stereo you will need to use two tracks. This should account for all the problems you're mentioning. 6dB difference = double/half volume, getting amplitude modulation on one channel means you're getting half of an autopan effect.
You don't HAVE to record with fx by the way, that's just useful when you run out of slots.
I didn't understand what you said about the recording volume.
When I record an audio track, the master volume is at maximum level. Why does the audio file sound much lower that the midi track? How much (how many dBs) can I raise the input recording level before the sound becomes distorted?

Thank you

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:37 pm
by SanderXpander
If you record a stereo sounding midi track to a single audio track, you're only recording half of the sound (either the left or the right side). So you will only get half the volume too.