Dave Smith Pro 2

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:00 pm

Badass! That's the first DSI synth I've heard demos of that I'd want to play.

Now if we could get a full polyphonic (Retaining 4osc per voice) one with a 61 keybed!

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:26 pm

I am riven - excited and disappointed in equal parts ...

I like the modulation capabilities, the sequencer, the VC-interfaces, the (allmost) one knob one function layout. To create and tweak sounds live will be pure fun. But is its sound new - like - never heard before?

IMO the most important element, the soul of an instrument, originates from it's sound generators and resonators. In general synth terms the foundation of a new sound is made by it's oscillators and something that adds more life, if required. Just to make a point, a synth does not necessarily have to follow the traditional osc-filter-amp architecture to make a great noise ...

What I really miss, is the exploitation of the potential of digital oscillators. The Pro 2 stays far behind of that, what others already do (Kronos Mod-7, Virus Ti and lot of soft synths). Those traditional VA-waveforms and small selection of additional waves aren't that exciting ...

Where is the marriage between the real potentials of DO and analoque technology?

Imagine a Pro X with the capability to load up your own waveforms and selfmade wavetables. A Pro X with formant or granular generated sounds. Waveshaping ... All ready for modulation. A Pro X that combines all this with the character of real ananlogue filters ... that would be a sound monster and probably the killer synth of the decade. Why did Pro 2 only stop half of the way ... it's digital technology, so it's CPU, software and some RAM, it's all but impossible or too expensive ...

I hope, Dave Smith or others come up with something like this - in a not too far future

RKfan · Post by **RKfan** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:02 pm

Oooh PRO2 or Odyssey.....

This is the first DSI I really want to get.... may have to wait for my big birthday next year..

Ksynth · Post by **Ksynth** » Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:47 pm

Despite some negative comments here (not a criticism but rather I do welcome the points as its all about learning) I intend to buy one of these as the features far outweigh the negatives.

It just seems like an awesome synth like the Kronos was when first announced in that regard.

I'm due to treat myself anyway soon.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:10 am

So is this Prohet 12 but with one voice?!
What is exiting about it?!

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:23 am

chilly7 wrote:So is this Prohet 12 but with one voice?!
What is exiting about it?!

Different filters and a few new wave forms but the core is essentially a single voice P12. But ... there is a great sequencer, and lots of I/O. Great for use as a controller.

But I still question the mono/paraphonic architecture. Being a hybrid I would have expected some polyphony. Maybe its just me but I equate mono synths to pure analog. That being said, I am still considering getting one.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:31 am

Bald Eagle wrote:
chilly7 wrote:So is this Prohet 12 but with one voice?!
What is exiting about it?!
Different filters and a few new wave forms but the core is essentially a single voice P12. But ... there is a great sequencer, and lots of I/O. Great for use as a controller.

But I still question the mono/paraphonic architecture. Being a hybrid I would have expected some polyphony. Maybe its just me but I equate mono synths to pure analog. That being said, I am still considering getting one.

Thank u. I see.

slug · Post by **slug** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:53 am

jimknopf wrote:It all doesn't help if an analog synth doesn't sound as you expect.

The Prophet 12 is not an analog synth.

jimknopf wrote:I already dislike the overall sound of the Prophet 12 (definitely too cold and harsh for an analog synth)

The Prophet 12 is not an analog synth.

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:13 am

I know the Prophet 12 is a hybrid, but to me it is still something like an analog synth with digital oscillators.

The oscillators are very flexible. But I happen to dislike the basic hybrid sound character, at least as far as I can tell from the factory presets. I don't really know if you can make this synth, or the Pro 2, sound more analog by programming. But I would have preferred a hybrid sound coming close to the classic Prophet V sound in the first place, and then adding some possibilities.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:35 pm

I think it gives an interesting different flavor in a landscape flooded with analog reissues and VAs. I enjoy my Shruthi-1, which also has an analog filter and digital oscillator. I realize we all have our personal preferences but I don't think it's very fair to treat a product like this as if it should be analog. That would be like saying the JX10 doesn't sound like a piano and deciding it's crap based on that.

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:18 pm

First of all, a JX10 and a piano are a bit more apart than a Prophet 12 and a Prophet 5 I guess

Second, the market is not at all flooded with polyphonic analog synths and well done polyphonic VAs. Some keyboarders still hope we might see an affordable 4- or 6-voice Moog some day, or a new analog version of something like the Prophet 5, or a smooth sounding VA like a Kingkorg with some more possibilities, or whatever, and some even buy several of the new Oberheim modules to go polyphonic.

Third, flavor is matter of taste indeed. I like flesh or fish: either Analog/VA or something digital like Massive/Tone2 Electra 2 or the like. If I don't like the sound of a Nordlead or a Prophet 12, that's just a matter of taste and does not prevent others from liking and buying them.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:06 am

I'm not disputing an affordable polyphonic VCO based analog wouldn't be cool. Just that it's not really fair to criticize the Prophet 12 by saying it doesn't sound analog. Of course it doesn't. It wasn't meant to, I would say Dave Smith would know how to build a VCO if he wanted one.

I really REALLY like the Nord Lead 4 by the way! So as you say; different flavors for everyone.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:57 pm

Bald Eagle wrote:
chilly7 wrote:So is this Prohet 12 but with one voice?!
What is exiting about it?!
Different filters and a few new wave forms but the core is essentially a single voice P12. But ... there is a great sequencer, and lots of I/O. Great for use as a controller.

But I still question the mono/paraphonic architecture. Being a hybrid I would have expected some polyphony. Maybe its just me but I equate mono synths to pure analog. That being said, I am still considering getting one.

It behaves and sounds totally different to the P12 though.

I can highly recommend it if you are thinking of getting one, I really like my P12 but the P02 is something special.

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:40 pm

BobTheDog wrote:It behaves and sounds totally different to the P12 though.

I can highly recommend it if you are thinking of getting one, I really like my P12 but the P02 is something special.

Behaves different ... I would totally agree. But does it really sound that different? It is based on the P12 after all. I have a P12 and am still considering the P02 but I would like a real sonic difference in addition to the features and behavior.

Seeing that you have both I would love to hear specifics on what you see in the P02 that makes it a great add on to the P12. I already have a Sub Phatty and a Sub 37 so I am very curious now if the P02 will bring much more to the sonic pallet.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:14 pm

Bald Eagle wrote:
BobTheDog wrote:It behaves and sounds totally different to the P12 though.

I can highly recommend it if you are thinking of getting one, I really like my P12 but the P02 is something special.
Behaves different ... I would totally agree. But does it really sound that different? It is based on the P12 after all. I have a P12 and am still considering the P02 but I would like a real sonic difference in addition to the features and behavior.

Seeing that you have both I would love to hear specifics on what you see in the P02 that makes it a great add on to the P12. I already have a Sub Phatty and a Sub 37 so I am very curious now if the P02 will bring much more to the sonic pallet.

It sounds totally different to me.

The only way you can make it sound the same is to not use the filters, the moment the filters come into play it sounds really different.

The Curtis filter on the P02 is very different to the P12, much smoother and less harsh. The second SEM like filter is very very nice. The ability to vary between HP, LP, BP and Notch on the second filter and also to vary between serial and parallel routing adds a lot.

I would guess it would sound pretty different to your moogs (it sounds different to my voyager), both the filters sound very different to the moog filter.

Probably the best get is to find one and give it a play.

P.S. Have you listened to these ones:

https://soundcloud.com/aiyn-zahev/dsi-p ... oundbank-1

https://soundcloud.com/aiyn-zahev/az-ds ... io-demo-ii