Problem in SEQ mode!?!

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p0rtykjn
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Problem in SEQ mode!?!

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In Program mode, the sound is fine. But in SEQ mode, the sound effects are lost (IFX; MFX / TFX)
For example, in Program mode, I-B041 inserted Stereo Phaser effect (IFX) and O-Verb (MFX), but I-B041 in SEQ mode, the effects does not have to be loaded...
How can I load the original sounds (inserted effects IFX + MFX) of the Program mode in SEQ mode?
Thanks !!!
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Post by SanderXpander »

The Kronos has 12 IFX processors, 2 MFX processors and 2 TFX processors. This is a fixed number available in every mode. That means you could use all of them on a single program, or none. You can see how this would become problematic when going to combi or sequence mode - with multiple programs using IFX slots you could run into the maximum easily. But not all IFX may be equally important for your sound, and some of them may not even be on.

For this reason, FX aren't copied automatically when you simply select a sound in combi or seq mode. You can copy them though - if you use the dropdown menu at the top right in the main screen of combi or seq mode, you can choose "copy from program". You can then tick boxes for which FX you want to copy. Generally speaking it is not very useful to copy MFX and TFX because you only have two and in a combi or sequence it makes most sense to set those up like (for instance) general purpose reverbs and mastering limiters.

Note that there are two ways to copy IFX; "all" and "all used". The first one will copy literally the complete set of 12 IFX, regardless of if all slots were used. Fine for the first sound you put in but if you do it for the second one too you will lose the first twelve. That's what the second option "all used" is for - it only copies the active ones and puts them in empty slots.

You will probably still run out of slots when you start sequencing with a bunch of sounds.
It's up to you to decide which ones are vital to your sounds and which ones are expendable. You can route any timbre to any IFX, including an IFX another timbre is already using, or halfway into a chain from another sound.
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Post by Pouyakhoshgoo »

That was so helpfull for me too!
Thank you SanderXpander! But u still havn't andwered one of my questions which i asked long time ago!" How do you know all these?"
;)
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Post by jeremykeys »

Pouyakhoshgoo wrote:That was so helpfull for me too!
Thank you SanderXpander! But u still havn't andwered one of my questions which i asked long time ago!" How do you know all these?"
;)
.

Sander is a mad scientist genius! :wink:

I learnt this too. It was just one of those things that I found out the hard way, by experimenting.
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Pouyakhoshgoo wrote:That was so helpfull for me too!
Thank you SanderXpander! But u still havn't andwered one of my questions which i asked long time ago!" How do you know all these?"
;)
.

Sander is a mad scientist genius! :wink:

I learnt this too. It was just one of those things that I found out the hard way, by experimenting.
If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, my very old MiniKorg, 4 acoustic and 9 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a Steel guitar, a bunch of microphones, 2 pairs of studio monitors and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 4 cats and a lava lamp!
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Post by p0rtykjn »

SanderXpander wrote:The Kronos has 12 IFX processors, 2 MFX processors and 2 TFX processors. This is a fixed number available in every mode. That means you could use all of them on a single program, or none. You can see how this would become problematic when going to combi or sequence mode - with multiple programs using IFX slots you could run into the maximum easily. But not all IFX may be equally important for your sound, and some of them may not even be on.

For this reason, FX aren't copied automatically when you simply select a sound in combi or seq mode. You can copy them though - if you use the dropdown menu at the top right in the main screen of combi or seq mode, you can choose "copy from program". You can then tick boxes for which FX you want to copy. Generally speaking it is not very useful to copy MFX and TFX because you only have two and in a combi or sequence it makes most sense to set those up like (for instance) general purpose reverbs and mastering limiters.

Note that there are two ways to copy IFX; "all" and "all used". The first one will copy literally the complete set of 12 IFX, regardless of if all slots were used. Fine for the first sound you put in but if you do it for the second one too you will lose the first twelve. That's what the second option "all used" is for - it only copies the active ones and puts them in empty slots.

You will probably still run out of slots when you start sequencing with a bunch of sounds.
It's up to you to decide which ones are vital to your sounds and which ones are expendable. You can route any timbre to any IFX, including an IFX another timbre is already using, or halfway into a chain from another sound.
There is no way to insert multiple effects at the same time?
I just use Kronos X but really disappointed in SEQ mode ... Hopefully things will be better in OS3 :(
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Post by SanderXpander »

Of course you can insert multiple fx at the same time. What gave you the idea that you couldn't? I tried to be as clear as possible about how to do it.
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Post by p0rtykjn »

Sorry that this is the first time I used Korg :(
When I finished recording midi track 1, then switch to midi track 2, the effect (IFX) of track 1 is lost ... Could you help me to be no more specific? @ _ @
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Post by SanderXpander »

I already wrote that? For the first sound you copy you can use "copy all IFX" but for any of the next ones you need to tick the box "all used" instead.
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Post by jeremykeys »

When you copy a Prog to a seq, I use the IFX used button. Then for the nxt sound, I remember to change the midi channel as well.
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Post by psionic311 »

"You can route any timbre to any IFX, including an IFX another timbre is already using, or halfway into a chain from another sound."

Sander, this part is really useful info too. For example, as the bass player who doubles as part time keyboardist for the band, I've made a few combis trying to make as realistic a bass guitar sound as possible. I've layered several bass guitar sounds (fretless, modified P Bass, STR-1 plucked bass) to use for left hand bass parts.

Instead of dedicating 2-3 FX for each one independently, inspired your idea above, I'm going to instead create an "FX block" made of comp => bass amp tubedrive + cab. I'll route each individual bass guitar element through an IFX or two, but ultimately all of them will go thru that final bass cab FX block.

Thanks for the tip. (still working on understanding the Drumkit FX, but not today or this week).+
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Post by SanderXpander »

Glad to help! However, as more of a general piece of advice, layering bass sounds can introduce many phase related problems and will definitely not always results in "fatter" bass.

Enjoy experimenting though, the Korg way of FX routing takes a little getting used to if you're coming from Roland or Yamaha but it's really quite flexible!
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Post by PCFREE »

Some very useful advice, as usual! Thankyou!
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You saved my life... Thank you very muchhhhh! :D
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