Kronos 3.0.2 has been released!

[levioter]

The answer is that updating the OS does not change the loaded Programs in any way.

See the first post in this thread.

- Dan

Thanks Dan for your answer but my question was about the v2 Combis that are using v2 programs that now are in other banks in the V3 !

And my answer was that this is not the case. KRONOS software version 3 does not change the Program banks.

The new KRONOS comes with new sounds in a new order, but as described in the first post in this thread and in various notices about this from Korg, those new sounds are not included in software version 3 for older KRONOS models.

In other words, if you install software version 3.0, your sounds don't change.

Thanks a lot Dan for your answer !
I did not catch that the sounds modification (move of banks etc..) were only for Kronos 2 !
So I will perform the OS update soon !

Cheers

[rpowell01]

Maybe somebody can help me out here. What is considered a NEW KRONOS? I have a Kronos X so how do I get the free KApro’s Private Collection if I download the demo one?

[phattbuzz]

Maybe somebody can help me out here. What is considered a NEW KRONOS? I have a Kronos X so how do I get the free KApro’s Private Collection if I download the demo one?

The "New Kronos" hasn't been released yet. It will have wooden sides. To get KApro's Private Collection you'll need to order it on line and pay for it.

[rpowell01]

Hmmmm so other users get free soundbanks while us who also spent almost 4gs on a keyboard has to pay for it.

I think I will spent my money on something else or elsewhere.

[NuSkoolTone]

Hmmmm so other users get free soundbanks while us who also spent almost 4gs on a keyboard has to pay for it.

I think I will spent my money on something else or elsewhere.

Dude are you SERIOUS? This keyboard was released in 2011 and we are going into 2015! We just got confirmation they're going to KEEP DEVELOPING for and SUPPORTING our investment. More than 4 years having your keyboard be equivalent to the current flagship is RARE. Perhaps you haven't been playing this game that long? Perhaps if you better understood, you'd be as happy as the rest of us.

It was announced we'll be getting the updated programs for FREE and the "Soundbanks" with NEW CONTENT will be offered for a VERY reasonable charge. The OS updates will be free, though that doesn't mean Korg isn't supposed to make MONEY! How do you suppose they pay for those development costs otherwise? This type of work is highly technical and specialized and DOES NOT come cheap!

[rpowell01]

I paid $4k for updates, remember that. Look at Apple and MS. They sell their OSs cheap and still makes billions of dollars and send out updates. Heck every software I've purchase has updates.


My complaint is Korg overpriced the Korg Kronos X for the amount of patches that are on the disk. I've purchase Roland, Korg and now Yamaha for the past 20+ years. I have an M3, Kronos X and now a MOXF. The MOXF really isn't much but it has at least 3 times as much patches than the Kronos X does.

Think about this, there isn't many strings in the Kronos when purchase off the shelf. They purposely did this just to get more $$$ out of us. So they come out with nice String Libraries months later. They knew their game plan and they planned it well. Just too many people haven't caught on to it yet.

I am not hunger bug wanting updates all the time. I only use my board at church. I realized years ago how the games went and today I know how the game has changed. They want more $$$$$ and more $$$$. Why not just go with a month subscription and give away the patches/libraries to all registered users? This will settle the cost of fixing the bugs in updating and in turn the users get the libraries that SHOULD HAVE been in the board in the first place. If they did this I would go for it but as it is I just feel they are bleeding people too much. JMHO.

[xp50player]

I just feel they are bleeding people too much. JMHO.

If you have had Rolands for 20 ys, than you have probably paid $240 for an 8mb expansion board or two. How is KApro's $49 for the Private Collection 1.1Gb bank bleeding you too much? And Korg hasn't even announced the upgrade price for the 9Gb Berlin Grand. You think because soundware is downloadable now, they should not charge for it?

Be glad Korg that came out with an improved, but backward compatible new Kronos that we can upgrade to equal, instead of a totally new machine that we all have to panic and G.A.S. over.

[BobTheDog]

My complaint is Korg overpriced the Korg Kronos X for the amount of patches that are on the disk. .

Maybe you could learn how to create your own? Than maybe the Kronos would seem a fairly cheap buy.

[Broadwave]

Hmmmm so other users get free soundbanks while us who also spent almost 4gs on a keyboard has to pay for it.

I think I will spent my money on something else or elsewhere.

Hmm... So, it's a bit like us original Kronos owners didn't complain when the X came out with more memory and bigger hard drive - which YOU benefited from?

KApro's Collection isn't a "necessary" purchase - as with all Korg libraries you buy it, or you don't.

As for "there isn't many strings in the Kronos", you need to learn how to program - there's nothing wrong with the basic ROM string samples, you can do an awful lot with them. Have you tried the free Sonatina Strings from Sharp or Gambler's expanded New Orchestra libraries?

Maybe the Kronos isn't for you. Try the Roland FA-06/08 and download the free "SRX" libraries... It's got more strings you can shake a bow at.

Don't forget that Roland charged $$$ (lot's of them) for the original SRX card series, perhaps because they also had a great business plan when they released the Fantoms, and "forgot" to put enough presets in them (sarc).

[StephenKay]

The MOXF really isn't much but it has at least 3 times as much patches than the Kronos X does.

Don't know how you're doing the math, but unless I'm wrong (and I have both myself), those boards ship with:

MOXF:
3 USER Voice Banks (but they don't count because they contain copies of the PRE Banks)
1 USER Drum Voice Bank (but it contains copies of PRE Drums so it doesn't count)
9 PRE Voice Banks x 128 = 1152 Voices
1 User Drum Voice Bank = 72 Drum Voices
1152 + 72 = 1224 Voices

Kronos: (Kronos Classic, Kronos X)
12 Program Banks x 128 = 1536 Programs

Kronos ships with more unduplicated Programs than MOXF. Not 3 times less.

Let's try Combis (or what Yamaha would call a Performance)
MOXF: 2 Banks x 128 = 256
Kronos: 3 Banks x 128 + 1 Bank containing 96 = 480

By the way:
MOXF has 3 Banks of user storable Voices x 128 = 384
Kronos has 20 Banks of user storable Program locations x 128 = 2560

Plenty of room to make your own Programs, or yes - buy some.

[Mike Conway]

My post was so long that 3 other people posted in the interim.

I paid $4k for updates, remember that.

Tell that to Roland VariOS users. Support is not owed to anybody. It is fantastic when it happens. Most of the gear I bought, never got the kind of OS upgrades that added significantly new features to it. My SY99? Nope. Fantom FA? Nope. TX816? Nope. JP8000? Nope. Triton? Some. Triton Extreme? Nope. My A5000? Nope.

My stand out gear, for upgrades, has been the OASYS, Virus TI, E-MU OS samplers and Kronos. It's not as automatic as you say.

Look at Apple and MS. They sell their OSs cheap and still makes billions of dollars and send out updates.

Are you saying that Windows is free, every year or two? Why do I have to pay to upgrade Windows 7 to version 8? You are comparing mult-billion dollar software companies with small hardware companies. Yes, updates (aka "Service Packs") are released, primarily, so that they can be compatible with more and more programs. When you first buy Windows 8, it doesn't work with a whole lot.

On the other hand, the primary intent of OS support for hardware is to improve and add more features to it, not necessarily make it compatible with 3rd party programs.

Btw, the standard support cycle, for synth gear, is 2 or 3 years. You buy a Fantom F/A, then a Fantom S comes out, then a Fantom X, then the G, then.... Yes, same with Korg and Yamaha, which is why continued support (keeping the product current) for longer than that is a big deal. Once the newer model comes out, support is usually over.

My complaint is Korg overpriced the Korg Kronos X for the amount of patches that are on the disk........The MOXF really isn't much but it has at least 3 times as much patches than the Kronos X does.

Okay, Stephen covered this. I'll add:

You know that you can download more than 30,000 DX7 patches and play them in the Kronos, right? Ironically, newer Motifs can't do that.

Go to korguser.net and download some of the extra program libraries (two more banks of MOD-7, the Devine Legacy banks, two more HD-1 and two more EXs banks. Download Busch's 80's favorites and a bunch of others.

My other banks come from my own creations and purchased OASYS libraries (which work in the Kronos), such as KARO Analog, Granular Elements, Movie library, Philharmonic Strings, Symphonic Strings, Unison Orchestra, Sharp's libraries and others.

And while you are complaining about prices, I paid 8 grand for the OASYS and $400, per KARO library. Kronos came out and everything, including the Kronos was half price! Good for you guys. You don't know how lucky you've got it.

MOXF is strictly a ROMpler. Kronos is a different beast, altogether. I think it's a bargain, but then again, I have awesome strings! That's the beauty of it, (streaming samples, many downloads available) it can be what you want,

Think about this, there isn't many strings in the Kronos when purchase off the shelf.....I am not hunger bug wanting updates all the time. I only use my board at church.....I just feel they are bleeding people too much. JMHO.

You say that you spent "4k?" Why would you spend that and not go the extra 2 or 3 hundred to have the strings you want?

Question 2: Since you love all the MO presets, why didn't you just buy a Roland Integra-7, to go with your MOXF? You probably wouldn't need any more sounds, ever!

[scottgblood]

Hey,

having to buy additional sounds is industry wide and rightly so, as mentioned above the cost of R&D and development for these boards runs into the millions, not to mention the cost of production which tends to be about 40% higher in the first year of a keyboard, so not much profit there for the manufacturers.

You also have to bare in mind that when you buy a computer and you buy your DAW of choice (which in some cases can be as expensive as a low end synth) you have to pay when the next version is released, Korg give you V3.02 for free, they didn't have to. To be honest I was shocked that they did and this should be credited to them.

Another thing to remember is that you now have at least 2 years further support on this board, if not longer based on the fact that V2.0 is shipping in early 2015.

Happy whining.

[Bertotti]

Let's not forget the Kronos is t just one board it is many different and powerful boards packed into one case. Imagine what it would have cost you to buy all of the individual synths built into this marvelous package, individually! And also lets not forget we even have a great wavestation built in!

[jeremykeys]

I bought my Kronos in September 2011 and the simple fact that it is kept current by free Korg updates is just mind blowing. Complaints are simply just not valid.

[GregC]

I paid $4k for updates, remember that. Look at Apple and MS. They sell their OSs cheap and still makes billions of dollars and send out updates. Heck every software I've purchase has updates.


My complaint is Korg overpriced the Korg Kronos X for the amount of patches that are on the disk. I've purchase Roland, Korg and now Yamaha for the past 20+ years. I have an M3, Kronos X and now a MOXF. The MOXF really isn't much but it has at least 3 times as much patches than the Kronos X does.

Think about this, there isn't many strings in the Kronos when purchase off the shelf. They purposely did this just to get more $$$ out of us. So they come out with nice String Libraries months later. They knew their game plan and they planned it well. Just too many people haven't caught on to it yet.

I am not hunger bug wanting updates all the time. I only use my board at church. I realized years ago how the games went and today I know how the game has changed. They want more $$$$$ and more $$$$. Why not just go with a month subscription and give away the patches/libraries to all registered users? This will settle the cost of fixing the bugs in updating and in turn the users get the libraries that SHOULD HAVE been in the board in the first place. If they did this I would go for it but as it is I just feel they are bleeding people too much. JMHO.

capitalism is the scourge of all mankind.

We are all (willing ) victims.

lets start our own company , create a Kronos type competing keyboard and do exactly what you say.