Control on/off of multiple timbres of combi using one switch

[Roadman]

Hi,
Need a little help.
I want to build a combi sound for live work, whereby I have a sound playing, but at certain points I layer another number of timbres on top to give a bigger sound. This needs to be done literally mid phrase, so needs to have multiple timbres/tracks muted/ un muted by single button touch. Preference would be a ' hard' button like sw1/2, as touch screen live it's too fiddly.
So, how can I assign multiple timbres within a combi to mute/un mute using single hard button?

Thanks in advance and merry Xmas!!

[psionic311]

I do something similar for Foreplay by Boston. Track 1 is the main organ, and tracks 2-5 are layered basses and clavs.

What I do is set the faders at max, then level the tracks so that they blend properly at loud volume. Then I bring everything down except the main organ sound, and save the Combi so that whenever I call up the Combi, the basses are muted.

Right before we play the song, I make sure that faders 2-5 are in the down position. In the middle of the song, when I need to bring the basses and clavs in mid-phrase, I slam faders 2-5 to max.

That's one method that's quick and dirty.

[Roadman]

Thanks, that's quite a manual way, I can foresee difficulties if using 4-5 timbres and grabbing them on a dark stage !,
Surely there must be a way to assign mute to sw1/2 for individual tracks

[jeebustrain]

in order to do it with SW1/2, you will need to edit each of the programs in your combi and assign the SW1/2 switch to something in the program itself that would bring the volume up or down (say the mixer level if using AL-1). Then save each program and you should be able to manipulate all of them using the single switch inside the combi.

Another way might be to route all of the programs you want to manipulate through a single IFX chain inside your combi and put something first in the chain that will allow you to control volume (like a compressor or preamp). then assign the switch to control the volume there.

[timg11]

So, how can I assign multiple timbres within a combi to mute/un mute using single hard button?

Roadman, I just posted a tutorial on one way to accomplish this: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... highlight=

[HardSync]

The tutorial posted by timg11 is an excellent way of switching between multiple sets of timbres. Nice to see those instructions rewritten for the Kronos.

If you only need to switch between two sets of sounds or layer in additional timbres, then another way to do this is with the KARMA On/Off switch, by using the KARMA Timbre Off Control settings on the P2: Timbre Parameters > Wave Sequence/KARMA screen:

A setting of NRM (Normal) means the timbre will always play, whether the KARMA On/Off switch is on or off.

A setting of by Off means the timbre will not sound when the KARMA On/Off switch is off -- but it will sound when you turn on the switch.

A setting of by On means the timbre will not sound when the KARMA On/Off switch is on -- but it will sound when you turn off the switch.

Note that you will also need to uncheck the KARMA modules Run checkboxes so that KARMA doesn't trigger any note data.

Furthermore, you can combine this technique with the tutorial that timg11 wrote, effectively giving you an additional "scene". If polyphony is an issue, then using either of these KARMA techniques would be far better than using one of the compressor/limiter/preamp effects, since the timbres are truly switched off with KARMA and not using any precious polyphony. You may find, however, that the KARMA On/Off switch is not conveniently located for super-fast switching -- it's in a much better location on the Korg M3 in my opinion. If that's the case, then there is also a way to use SW1/2 (or the joystick or a footswitch) with KARMA turned on to switch on or off timbres. It's been a while since I've done this (on my M3), so I'd have to work it out again and come up with instructions applicable to the Kronos. But if you absolutely have to use SW1, then I do believe it's possible. Let me know, though it might take me a bit to come back on that as it's the holidays and there is lots going on.

The vector joystick is another option, though I've read a few posts here that indicated that people don't like using it or that it moves out of position or something.

[Roadman]

Thanks all!! Much appreciated.
Let me run through this over the next week or and see if I can get it to work.
I am not particularly fussed if it's the SW1 switch that's used, just something ' hard' ie not touch screen, and is reachable, which gives a much better response and guarantee of first time working.
My intention at this stage us for use on a couple of songs in band set that need two sets of timbres, one playing originally, then bringing in another set on top, but it's certainly useful if this can be done with two, three or more sets for future use.

Just for context, I am currently programming my kronos to replace a a roland jp50, which is very limited compared to the kronos. The one advantage roland does have is hard on/off buttons for the lower/live set/ upper sounds, as well as sliders, so you can switch off on and also slide them if required, which gives good real time control. However, other than you are VERY limited what you can layer in the first place sound and effect wise!!

Il follow the info given and report back after Xmas.

Merry Xmas all and happy playing!!!