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Been following the new Electribes with great interest, but I still see some major obstacles before I will take the step and buy one. I don't expect a perfect device for this price, but I do have some expectations

My main gripes;

- Insert FX cut off when changing patterns.
- Only 4 bars, I don't want to use BPM tricks to get more bars.
- No song or pattern chain mode.

Slightly less important;

- Can't import Ableton sessions back into the device.

I've read you can bypass the insert FX cutting out by leaving the same part open in the next pattern, this will only work if you don't need all 16 parts and is an odd work around.

I really hope these issues can and will be fixed in a firmware update.

Also I agree with the people that feel like Korg should merge these devices and offer a 3rd option to get both sampling and all the synth options in one device for a higher price.

Insert effects cut off when changing patterns: You know what else cuts off? Amp Release from the previous pattern. The reason? You've changed patterns. You are no longer running those effects and synth parts. Any other behavior would require the DSP-killing ability to run 2 patterns at once.

Insert effects are not some independent process running on their own chip. They're part of the pattern. Change the pattern, you instantly cut off the delay - which is the only effect that could have a tail. I don't think there will be a "fix" for this - it's part of the architecture.

"Can't import Ableton sessions back into the device"

The reason you can't reimport (and never will be able to):

The exported ALS is just audio stems from each part, placed into tracks of a vanilla Ableton Live set for your convenience. (So you don't have to go through the trouble of soloing every part on your electribe and recording it in to your computer.)

Changing/remixing/playing with the audio in Ableton could never result in electribe pattern edits to reimport. There is no virtual electribe VST running in Ableton. Just a plain old audio recoding.

Ted3000 wrote:You know what else cuts off? Amp Release from the previous pattern. The reason? You've changed patterns. You are no longer running those effects and synth parts. Any other behavior would require the DSP-killing ability to run 2 patterns at once.

OHHHHH Thank you!!!!!!

Finally some one gets it, and is teaching others.

I tried mentioning this in another thread but couldn't put the right words together.

Yes, if Korg is modeling analog synth, chances are they are modeling EVERYTHING about analog synth. I was hoping that would not be the case but ...after reading all of the complaints I was ready for the cold hard math that Korg gave us not only the awesomeness of analog modeling but modeled the headaches as well. It is my belief that those who are proficient in analog synthesis will do just fine. Those who are not used to it...maybe not so much.

Anyhow, good call Ted3000

Its cutting it off instead of letting the effect run its course. Or at least thats what I gathered from the hand-on Pullen did. So instead of an effect 'finishing' say a delay it will cut the delay rather than fade/finish it.

If you'd put a reverb on a snare and change to a pattern without the snare I expect the reverb to finish doing its thing even if I change patterns. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope I do.

In the hands-on Scan did they said that if you use the same part/instrument in the next pattern the effect will finish. I guess this an acceptable work-around if you don't use many parts.

Unrelated but maybe informational to some, all internal sounds demo'd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6-sKKmBoI

SMK wrote: if Korg is modeling analog synth, chances are they are modeling EVERYTHING about analog synth. I was hoping that would not be the case but ...after reading all of the complaints I was ready for the cold hard math that Korg gave us not only the awesomeness of analog modeling but modeled the headaches as well.

The vast, overwhelming majority of analog synthesizers on the planet have an ADSR envelope. Just saying.

dutchcow wrote:Its cutting it off instead of letting the effect run its course. Or at least thats what I gathered from the hand-on Pullen did. So instead of an effect 'finishing' say a delay it will cut the delay rather than fade/finish it.

If you'd put a reverb on a snare and change to a pattern without the snare I expect the reverb to finish doing its thing even if I change patterns. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope I do.

In the hands-on Scan did they said that if you use the same part/instrument in the next pattern the effect will finish. I guess this an acceptable work-around if you don't use many parts.

Unrelated but maybe informational to some, all internal sounds demo'd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6-sKKmBoI

Insert effects (and any amp releases) don't carry over after a pattern change, I've tried.

But if you have 2 patterns with the same master effect, master verb or delay will carry over through a pattern change. (I think the master effect is a separate process - actually I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mini KP2 rattling around in there right before the outputs.

The "tails" behavior of DSP effects across program change is rare. Some dedicated delay pedals have it - but I've never had a virtual analog synth that tails between patches, I don't remember how past grooveboxes did it.

It would certainly be welcome behavior - but the DSP can't even provide full 4-voice paraphony with effects across 16 parts in a single pattern, much less load 2 patterns at once to provide the proper decay, release and tails from the prior pattern.

Thanks for the answer! It makes sense. I'm no expert with these boxes. My only "groove box" experience is with MPCs and RS7000. But I don't recall effect tails being cut when changing patterns though.

As others this Electribe has gives me the tingles when the previous models didn't. I'll keep an even closer eye on the developments on this forum and the solutions/work around people come up with.

If anything restrictions(or bugs) can push your creativity.