Triggering a sample/MS exclusively via damper

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:11 am

Yesterday I tried to trigger a sampled effect sound in HD1 PROG only using damper pedal (with no key+damper trigger option or Karma support)
and still have no results , so Kronos experts could you please drop an idea of how can we trigger a sample only when pressing
damper pedal without pressing any key , to be independently triggered in a combination while playing other patches ?
My mind got stuck , since this works in SGX engine where damper pedal exclusively triggers damper pedal Fx samples !

Any idea will be greatly appreciated ...

laandodeman · Post by **laandodeman** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:27 am

I use the Roland Pk5.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:42 pm

I also use BK5 for Bass of Hammond C3 of EXs Vintage keyboards but I do not mean midi controller , I want to use Kronos damper pedal ...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:06 pm

I don't think it can be done, unless it's with tricky workarounds. Perhaps setting a wavesequence to advance via pedal?

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:33 pm

It's obvious that we need a tricky method since we need a third OSC trigger option to an external controller like
"damper" only that doesn't exist (serious lack) !
Wave Sequencer isn't an option ... we don't need to mute or delay OSC , just to trigger it at on/release state
according to damper pedal state without pressing any note on keybed !
Karma is an option but I need it for other tasks !

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:48 pm

I haven't programmed any wavesequencing but couldn't you create a sequence with an "empty" or muted sample and with your custom sample, then use the pedal to switch between them?

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:22 pm

I always make tricks with wave sequencer , but the important thing here is that no key must be pressed so it's the same
result of using an oscillator ... a controller is needed to trigger OSC or wave sequencer of a non transposed MS
like damper or SW that is impossible to assign ... this is my issue here !

Note that SGX engine already does this successfully , choose German GRD and watch there the result of damper pedal
without playing any note of piano !!!

coyote144 · Post by **coyote144** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:51 pm

I could not test by myself, as I am not in my studio with the Kronos, but have you tried to affect a controller (your damper for example) to the EG reset parameter of your amp1? See page 87 in the parameter manual. When affecting an EG reset controller, and choosing a threshold valie, you normally should be able to re-trigger the sound with this controller only, and without touching any key.

i hope I understood your request.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:49 am

coyote144 wrote:When affecting an EG reset controller, and choosing a threshold valie, you normally should be able to re-trigger the sound with this controller only, and without touching any key.

Thank you for your input , but you can only re-trigger and not just trigger a sound with no active "control on" task !
I'm afraid that finally this trick can't be done without a midi command "control on" & "off" via a different midi channel !
Only Karma or external midi controller seems that can achieve that ...

It could be very nice if OSC "control on" would have a browsing control option except "key+damper" in a future
Kronos OS update , a very important feature for third-party developers , especially for creating natural pianos !

coyote144 · Post by **coyote144** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:52 am

Would you please try one more thing, added the retrigger function formerly explained? Please put the Hold to On (basic/vector, then program basic, then key zone area). This Hold function replaces the key on action, normally.

sorry that I'm not able to test that , my kronos is miles away from here...

psionic311 · Post by **psionic311** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:03 am

Antony,

I'm not at my Kronos at the moment, but I think you should try to use a Switch, not the damper/sustain option.

It's likely there's internal code to use the sustain pedal (MIDI CC#64) to trigger the SGX piano damper multisamples.

I think MIDI CC#64 does not send note ON messages, only note OFF.

psionic311 · Post by **psionic311** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:08 am

Also, if I guess at what you're trying to do, you want to create an HD sound, like a piano, where pressing a pedal will not only keep the previous notes sustained, but also trigger a separate set of multisamples... correct?

If you use the SWITCH method I mentioned above successfully, in this case you might also want to re-map the switch to also trigger MIDI CC#64, so that it can also act like a sustain/damper pedal and not chop off the previous notes but also keep them sustained...

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:02 am

coyote144 & psionic311 thank you but your suggestions were on the very first things of the list of my actions
to accomplish that , but no controller can trigger "control on" routine of an OSC , a MIDI CC#64 is required but I don't
want to disturb the main piano function and global midi assignment of damper or any other controller !

psionic311 my intention was initially to improve the freeware Upright piano I've offered in forum and create an
independent damper mechanical noise of pedal when pressed or released , just like SGX engine , I thought it was easy
but this seems to be a real pain !

coyote144 · Post by **coyote144** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:25 am

One more attempt: it is possible to trigger PADS with external MIDI message.

If you affect your sample sound to one note, and make one pad able to play this single note, then if you assign the pad to your pedal, you should be able to trigger a sample with yout pedal.

More here:

http://karma-lab.wikidot.com/korg-oasys ... ds-by-midi

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:48 pm

coyote144 , I see that you're a "restless mind" ...

I've also tried assigning PAD1 to a specific midi channel (fe 16) in Combi and also set global function assignment of PAD1
to any of CC# 1,2,82,63 but failed to trigger "note on" of PAD1 sound though it works manually or via external midi ,
but later I'll give one more shot , in case I did something wrong !

I've already tried a lot of tricks that not mentioned , since I'm very skilled in Kronos HD1 development and as I said , I do not
want either to use Karma nor to change global assignment of controllers (or midi in-out loop) !

Any other experts thoughts will be very welcomed !