New software from Namm 2015?!

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:07 pm

That's the weirdest method of audio production I've heard in a long while

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:23 pm

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:54 pm

SanderXpander wrote:That's the weirdest method of audio production I've heard in a long while

Better take deeply a look by ur self before judging something ur never knew!!!

I will post my music when it will be read so u will judje be ur self.

U will like it or no that is ur free will.

P.s. As a consumer and as musician i am tied of loudness wars and mixes when awrything is super load for no reasons and has no dynamic when it is needed. Also there are other things hard for me to explain by words which i can feel with my heart!!!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:13 pm

Using a compressor doesn't necessarily mean you MUST squash the mix, you know? Compressors definitely have their uses, to glue drum busses, to even out the guitars and vocals so they don't jump all over the place... etc. Sounds to me like you don't really know an awful lot about mixing

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:18 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Using a compressor doesn't necessarily mean you MUST squash the mix, you know? Compressors definitely have their uses, to glue drum busses, to even out the guitars and vocals so they don't jump all over the place... etc. Sounds to me like you don't really know an awful lot about mixing

Let's hear my music and from that point we can discus!

P.s. Ofcause for creating synth sounds compressors, limiters, eq and etc might be very useful!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:22 pm

I'm not talking about synth sounds at all. I'm talking general mixing procedures.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:20 pm

I wish everyone a great experience with his/her music production, and success too. There is something to be said for greater attention for mic techniques, performance and arrangement in lieu of EQ and compression... As an experiment or addition to modern mixing techniques. I don't like the loudness wars either but I couldn't personally imagine limiting myself permanently to not using any EQ and compression, my mixes simply wouldn't sound as good.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:04 pm

Thanks God the loudness Wars are over. Long Live EBU-R128!!! -23LU!!!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:02 pm

I find the EQ not only necessary, but mandatory in fact. It just makes things fit together better, like pieces of a puzzle. You just have to control the bass and low mids because the ear is the most sensitive to those regions, and it's easy to overload them. Ducking the kick drum against the bass guitar just makes so much sense it's not even funny, for example. Controlling the sizzle of cymbals is another thing - you don't want them to rip at your ears either. How else would you control that, if not with an EQ?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:17 pm

I usually duck the bass against the kick

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:30 pm

Yeah, what I meant.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:17 am

To sum it all up, when i went to school the biggest and most important advices the engineers told us are:

1. Always take, cut, attenuate, decrease!
2. Not doing anything is Doing something!

So there is NO RULE in the world that says one must use Compressor or EQ,
actually the surprising part is NOT USING it and AVOIDING it as the best.

But this topic turned to Hell too.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:05 pm

Definitely, not everything needs to sound like a squashed pop production. I agree that often current engineers overcompress or try to force things together that don't really fit from an arrangement or recording standpoint. But especially with judicious use of EQ, you can actually INCREASE dynamic range. I don't really mean to criticize, I've taken a lot of care to not word it as critique. There are many ways to a goal and there are very few rights or wrongs with any creative product. I just said that to me, it is one of the weirdest statements I've heard in ages about serious audio production. Less is more sometimes, yes. But no EQ or compression at all, I couldn't work like that.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:46 pm

EvilDragon wrote:I find the EQ not only necessary, but mandatory in fact. It just makes things fit together better, like pieces of a puzzle. You just have to control the bass and low mids because the ear is the most sensitive to those regions, and it's easy to overload them. Ducking the kick drum against the bass guitar just makes so much sense it's not even funny, for example. Controlling the sizzle of cymbals is another thing - you don't want them to rip at your ears either. How else would you control that, if not with an EQ?

Instead of using EQ in mix i will go to the source of drums and do what i want. At the source level i can use eq if i need to achive a sutern sound. The is not a problem. But what i am saying that i do not currently use any eq, or compressors at mixing and mastering levels. Because i work with the source so the tracks fit together the wey i want.
P.s. No of my songs curemtly uses drums

but i cannot say it will still be like this tommmorow. ( i have some liitle of percusion in a small part if the song though) .

At first i work with the source but not with consequence.
Today music is done that author of lyric, author of music, instruments, recording engineer, perfomance musician, mixing guy , mastering guy and etc are totaly separate people who have do not act as one from the very begining to the very end! That is a big problem because if mastering guy sees a problem let say in vocal he cannot reach the mistake at source level because even if he can reach the vocalist he cannot explain to vocalist: can u sing this particular word in frequancy 456hz 2.5 db more then u did last time?!
And the mixing guy in stead of this goes to eq.

Another case can be let say insruments do not feat in to mix. So instead of going in to the source of problem and tune instruments in to that way they feet in to a mix he uses eq, compressors and etc. (And i do oppositely.)
The same if musician did not play well his part instead of replaying bad parts mix guy uses compressors, edits , enchanters to max problem. (And i do oppositely.)

All of this example cases give unnatural sound.
But i like natural sound.
In my case i am a one person so i can do awrything at the souce level at all stages.
Of couse the disadvantege of this is that i do not have that much knowledge as separate people who know only mixing, who know only how to play guitar or synth and etc.
But i am not saying working in a group is bad, it is actualy is better but only in one case, if a team act as one and they can communicate with each other perfectly from the very begining to the very end!

P.s. That technic i described i use i am not claiming i am expert in it! I see alot of mistakes and problems in my mixes!!! And i want to learnd and improve!!! But what i do right now i like much more then those multi million recordings from consumer stand point and from musician stand point!

Of cause it will be better when u actualy listen to my music so u can say this and that has problems!

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:49 pm

BasariStudios wrote:Thanks God the loudness Wars are over. Long Live EBU-R128!!! -23LU!!!

Never heared about that!