Hello All,
I’m trying to make a slow tempo (70bpm) song with the occasional really fast hi-hat. Does anyone know how to program the wave sequencer to 1/32, or even 1/128, using the tempo function? The wave sequencer’s on-screen options feature a times two, or divide by two option. However, it seems to limit us to 1/16 for the division. I am able to increase to max whole notes, but again, 1/16th appears to be the limit on the division side.
Before posting this I tried to figure this out and notice software does this lickety-split, but the Kronos seems to have a limit of 1/16. Does anyone know if this is in fact a limit of the Kronos, or is there a work-around?
Note: Karma can do this by manipulating one of the sliders, but it’s real-time. I’d like to have it programmed and tight with tempo. I can also split the milliseconds but then it’s not synced with tempo. Any thoughts?
Tony
Hi-Hat 1/32 - 1/128...Help
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Re: Hi-Hat 1/32 - 1/128...Help
The Parameter Guide states that the Duration Base Note can be set to 32nd notes (see pg 794). Don't know if you can divide that down further. One possible old-school workaround is to double the tempo, insert rests into the wave sequence to make it sound like it's at 70 BPM, and where necessary add you additional "faster" hi-hats in between... We used to do that on early step sequencers that only had a 16th note division. Basically, you will use two measures instead of one.tkins1000 wrote:Hello All,
I’m trying to make a slow tempo (70bpm) song with the occasional really fast hi-hat. Does anyone know how to program the wave sequencer to 1/32, or even 1/128, using the tempo function? The wave sequencer’s on-screen options feature a times two, or divide by two option. However, it seems to limit us to 1/16 for the division. I am able to increase to max whole notes, but again, 1/16th appears to be the limit on the division side.
Before posting this I tried to figure this out and notice software does this lickety-split, but the Kronos seems to have a limit of 1/16. Does anyone know if this is in fact a limit of the Kronos, or is there a work-around?
Note: Karma can do this by manipulating one of the sliders, but it’s real-time. I’d like to have it programmed and tight with tempo. I can also split the milliseconds but then it’s not synced with tempo. Any thoughts?
Tony
Nevertheless, it's curious why you're using a wave sequence for a drum pattern rather than creating a custom drum pattern in the Song sequencer.
"Nevertheless, it's curious why you're using a wave sequence for a drum pattern rather than creating a custom drum pattern in the Song sequencer."
Thanks so much for the input and I think you are indeed onto something. I am new to the Kronos (or any serious workstation), so I am unfamiliar with the details of "custom drum patterns." I feel like a freshman art major in a graduate level engineering program (no disrespect to art), but I am making progress.
It sounds as if this is what I'm after NOT the Wave Sequencer.
I just want to loop the hi-hat to roll 32nds on the 9th beat at say 70 tempo. Elsewhere this seems to reference "dub". I just want a slow-jam with hi-hats. Is the song sequencer the solution for this?
p.s. This forum rocks. Thanks so much to all who are involved. I've had my Kronos for about a year and I'm just scratching the surface. Without the "sticky" posts and youtube I'd be lost. After considering much debate online about the "best". I'm ultra pleased with my purchase. Thanks again.
Thanks so much for the input and I think you are indeed onto something. I am new to the Kronos (or any serious workstation), so I am unfamiliar with the details of "custom drum patterns." I feel like a freshman art major in a graduate level engineering program (no disrespect to art), but I am making progress.
It sounds as if this is what I'm after NOT the Wave Sequencer.I just want to loop the hi-hat to roll 32nds on the 9th beat at say 70 tempo. Elsewhere this seems to reference "dub". I just want a slow-jam with hi-hats. Is the song sequencer the solution for this?
p.s. This forum rocks. Thanks so much to all who are involved. I've had my Kronos for about a year and I'm just scratching the surface. Without the "sticky" posts and youtube I'd be lost. After considering much debate online about the "best". I'm ultra pleased with my purchase. Thanks again.
Well, what I would do is use the pattern recording features within the song sequencer. You can do it either by Step Recording or Real Time Recording. Check out the "Recording patterns" page in the Operation Guide (pg 92). There's more about this in the Parameter Guide on page 591. And if you might want to check out the Step Recording bit on page 656.
Alternatively, you could record your drum pattern directly to a track in the sequencer (step record or real time) and then to make it into a pattern, use the Get From MIDI Track command when in the Pattern/RPPR page. Or, if you find a KARMA drum track pattern that is close to what you need, you can record the KARMA drums into a track into the Sequencer, then edit the track with Event Edit, and then convert it to a pattern. You could also copy a preset Drum Track Pattern into the sequencer and do the same thing.
There are several different options available to you. And if you really want to, you can still use the wave sequencer.
Rich F. of Korg did a tutorial vid for the M50, but the instructions apply to how the Kronos's patterns work -- the screens are a little different, but the concept is exactly the same. Maybe this will help.
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Alternatively, you could record your drum pattern directly to a track in the sequencer (step record or real time) and then to make it into a pattern, use the Get From MIDI Track command when in the Pattern/RPPR page. Or, if you find a KARMA drum track pattern that is close to what you need, you can record the KARMA drums into a track into the Sequencer, then edit the track with Event Edit, and then convert it to a pattern. You could also copy a preset Drum Track Pattern into the sequencer and do the same thing.
There are several different options available to you. And if you really want to, you can still use the wave sequencer.
Rich F. of Korg did a tutorial vid for the M50, but the instructions apply to how the Kronos's patterns work -- the screens are a little different, but the concept is exactly the same. Maybe this will help.
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/tOSHg3xK7bo" frameborder="0"></iframe>
I’m happy to report success. As mentioned, there are various ways to get there, but the song sequencer is the most efficient, because it has the most detailed parameters (for drums at least). The wave sequencer is for waves, as the name implies (D’oh!). It seems to be true the Kronos splits only to 16ths notes with the push of a button, but then there is the “beat tick”.
Page 637 of the parameter guide describes going to “track edit”, then select “midi event edit” from the dropdown menu in the upper right corner. This screen has a column named beat ticks. For quarter notes the pattern was: 01.00, 01.12, 01.24, 01.36, 02.00… For 16ths the pattern was …03.00, 03.06, 03.12, 03.18; All I had to do was divide the appropriate beat ticks and presto! - Rolling hi-hats (I changed the three’s to 3.00, 3.03, 3.06, 3.12). Next, simply loop the track measures. This can also be done in the Pattern/RPPR page. Nice.
Thanks again for the help. Problem solved
Page 637 of the parameter guide describes going to “track edit”, then select “midi event edit” from the dropdown menu in the upper right corner. This screen has a column named beat ticks. For quarter notes the pattern was: 01.00, 01.12, 01.24, 01.36, 02.00… For 16ths the pattern was …03.00, 03.06, 03.12, 03.18; All I had to do was divide the appropriate beat ticks and presto! - Rolling hi-hats (I changed the three’s to 3.00, 3.03, 3.06, 3.12). Next, simply loop the track measures. This can also be done in the Pattern/RPPR page. Nice.
Thanks again for the help. Problem solved