out of sync

barry murphy · Post by **barry murphy** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:26 am

I know I've asked this question before and I was told to quantize the tracks but that doesn't always work to well.
When I transfer tracks to studio one from a midi to audio I play each track in separate so that I have a song with up to 10 tracks recorded.
The problem is that the timing gets up to 1/8 slower over 100 measures.
Am I explaining this right?
I tried using seconds for timing but I really need the bars setting.
My KN6000 doesn't have this problem and I can't find any setting in the pa3x that sets this. Can anyone suggest something to try?
baz

jimsweb · Post by **jimsweb** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:40 pm

just to understand the issue, are you recording each track as midi or as audio?

barry murphy · Post by **barry murphy** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:30 am

Sorry. Knew I'd leave something out.
I'm recording each track in audio. I do the same whether it is midi or a style on the korg (or KN).
I was working on masquerade last night and I noticed that because it is a style,It keeps to the bar count very well. I think it is only midi that is not working. I can't find out which which setting I should change on the korg(or in studio one)The manuals are confusing.
Baz

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:03 am

Yeah I remember we talked about this briefly.

Just to refresh my memory, are you playing and recording those individual midi tracks in real time?

barry murphy · Post by **barry murphy** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:03 am

Yes.Realtime.
Just to explain, first I select a midi and then transfer to korg. I then change from gm to korg instruments and begin the transfer to studio one for each track in audio. I do this because I like the work and I can work with each track separate.
For a style it's basically the same but I play all chords throughout the song.
Thank you
baz

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:06 am

barry murphy wrote:Yes.Realtime.
Just to explain, first I select a midi and then transfer to korg. I then change from gm to korg instruments and begin the transfer to studio one for each track in audio. I do this because I like the work and I can work with each track separate.
For a style it's basically the same but I play all chords throughout the song.
Thank you
baz

Ok got that part. Now, when you say your tracks are out of sync....You mean at first they are in sync but over time they start drifting away from your original tempo? So the final audio product in your external sequencer has a different tempo? Or we're talking about LATENCY issue here, because if you're just experiencing latency, you can pull all your audio tracks by that specific amount and everything will fall in place matching the tempo grid.

That's the case with plug ins/sample libraries as well.

nitecrawler · Post by **nitecrawler** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:50 am

Barry, I use Studio one and I also record as audio from midi. What I do is first set the DAW with the same clock speed as the midi recording. I also leave one or two measures recording but empty on the Studio One. Since recording is punched in manually, things are not exactly in sync. You can use the edit tool to adjust and slide the track to line up with the bars. Magnifying the tracks (plus and minus) on the right side of the screen allow for real tight alignment. Also, it's not a bad idea to record one track in stereo that includes all tracks. Use this as reference until you have all the individual tracks set to your liking. Then you can mute that track or just delete. Hope this approach helps.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:22 am

If you guys already have the midi file arranged and ready to go, you can simply import that file into your DAW and from there you can send each track to Korg and get the audio recorded that way. In this case, you don't have to worry about anything especially if the midi file contains other information such as time signature or tempo changes.

I've done this with Protools like a million times and never had any problems whatsoever.

nitecrawler · Post by **nitecrawler** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:57 am

Sam, your way makes perfectly good sense. My approach differs because I collaborated with other Studio One musicians and they needed audio files from me. I was the only musician that had midi capability. In order to control the sound files going to them, audio made the most sense. Once everything was assembled the beginning dead space of the files could all be eliminated.

There are different ways to reach the same conclusion.

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:27 pm

Perhaps if you are losing MIDI sync with audio you have recorded, try finding out what it's TRUE tempo is. Unless you run word clock from the computer to the slaved MIDI stuff, the clocks are not accurate enough to run un-synced.

I can take audio recorded at 120.000bpm in one system, put it in another system, and find it needs to run a 119.997bpm (or thereabouts, it changes for each system). This may not seem a lot, but over 5 minutes or so, it's enough to lose sync.

Unless you have gear that can run at fractional tempi, you can seldom transfer tracks from one system to another 'wild'. The trick is to import it into the new system, line up the beginning at zero, then start nudging the tempo in 1/1000ths and look at how well the back end of the song lines up with the system bar boundaries.. Then save at that new tempo. You should NOW be able to chop whole bars or beats out and clock remain in sync. But until the new system has its clock adjusted, those bars you chop aren't going to be correct.

Hope this helps.

barry murphy · Post by **barry murphy** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:37 am

Wow what good advice.
I'll be trying all this for sure. Thank you all so much.
baz