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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:59 pm
by Bachus
LZ wrote:Bachus wrote:LZ wrote:I generally don't find the Kronos lacking, but if I could just have whatever the hell I wanted, I'd add:
The King Korg filters to the AL1 engine
An Additive engine (I know, technically CX3 is additive, but you know what I mean)
Wind modelling (covering reed/brass/flute)
Add to that a modular engine, which they could expand uppon till eternity with new modules... You would have a perfect 12 engines, and have the sound engines future proof for quite some time.....
And if you made that engine MAX based, you could even have people create their own modules..
There's some limited capablilty to do that now with some of the Audio input tied to being able to route things to the rec bus, and then parts of certain engines available as IFX. They could expand on that some. But theoretically, now for instance you could take a Mod 7, run it through an AL1 filter, and through a PolySix ensemble effect.
But I hear what you're saying. I think the problem trying to implement something like MAX is that 1) you could run out of horsepower in a hurry, and 2) it would likely be difficult to maintain stability without the ability to fully test a feature before releasing it.
Then just add more horsepower in the future... The new intel low power core M processors seems a perfect pick for the Kronos 3...
And to be honest, i think you are right, i dont think max is a requirement, it might indeed turn out very expensive and a liabillity in the long run..
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:22 pm
by LZ
Thus far, they've done a great job of making updates available to older Konos models. I think the kind of advances we're talking about would likely require abandoning older models in favor of newer models with more horsepower. It's bound to happen sooner or later. I guess it comes down to strategey - how long do you build your base before moving on to the next platform?
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:31 am
by psionic311
I think there's still good mileage to be gained from re-purposing older Korg tech into future updates. This model is fundamentally what the Kronos is all about. The tech found in the Trinity/Tritons, the Prophecy and the O.A.S.Y.S PCI projects has made it largely into the Kronos.
I can see squeezing out one more iteration of the Kronos with these enhancements:
-- more CPU horsepower for polyphony and FX
-- brass and reed/wind physical models
-- other CMT engines vintage remakes similar to the MS-20EX and PolySixEX
-- use of Korg's new Valve Reactor chip for tube goodness
-- more filter models for the VA synth engines
-- include pulse width modulation and wave-shaping to oscillators
-- better preset combinations for more classic 70s, 80s, 90s synth songs
-- better instant gratification loop/16 step sequencing and beat making
All this is just re-packaging what they already have...
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:30 pm
by Bachus
LZ wrote:Thus far, they've done a great job of making updates available to older Konos models. I think the kind of advances we're talking about would likely require abandoning older models in favor of newer models with more horsepower. It's bound to happen sooner or later. I guess it comes down to strategey - how long do you build your base before moving on to the next platform?
If there ever comes a Kronos replacement, how important is backward sound compatibillity, as in being able to use your Kronos sounds and patches again in the new model?
I can imagine this being very very important to everyone that gigs. So far Yamaha has been doing a great job when it comes to this, but Korg doesnt seem to recognise this, espescilly when you take into account the incompatibillity issues with the current version.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:02 pm
by Bald Eagle
Backward compatibility is important to me. I can not imagine having to convert a bank of complex programs and combi's that make extensive use of the many features in the Kronos to a synth with an entirely new architecture.
With the ability to run multiple engines Korg has no excuse for not maintaining a certain level of backward compatibility in the future. For example, don't add incompatible upgrades to HD-1, leave it as is and release HD-2 as a new engine.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:04 pm
by GregC
Bachus wrote:LZ wrote:Thus far, they've done a great job of making updates available to older Konos models. I think the kind of advances we're talking about would likely require abandoning older models in favor of newer models with more horsepower. It's bound to happen sooner or later. I guess it comes down to strategey - how long do you build your base before moving on to the next platform?
1)If there ever comes a Kronos replacement, how important is backward sound compatibillity, as in being able to use your Kronos sounds and patches again in the new model?
I would always take great new sounds/impressive new sound engines. It would be sort of pointless to have a better M3 where the key feature was backward compatibility.
2)I can imagine this being very very important to everyone that gigs.
True that. But the Kronos has been a success and it seems to me owners accept/feel its worthwhile to reprogram their custom sounds. Korg and burning bush helped out with the Sound Pack ( popular keyboard sounds) and the same in the Kronos 2.
3) So far Yamaha has been doing a great job when it comes to this, but Korg doesnt seem to recognise this, espescilly when you take into account the incompatibillity issues with the current version.
zzzz... zzz. Same old Motif sound engine.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:41 pm
by Bachus
GregC wrote:Bachus wrote:LZ wrote:Thus far, they've done a great job of making updates available to older Konos models. I think the kind of advances we're talking about would likely require abandoning older models in favor of newer models with more horsepower. It's bound to happen sooner or later. I guess it comes down to strategey - how long do you build your base before moving on to the next platform?
1)If there ever comes a Kronos replacement, how important is backward sound compatibillity, as in being able to use your Kronos sounds and patches again in the new model?
I would always take great new sounds/impressive new sound engines. It would be sort of pointless to have a better M3 where the key feature was backward compatibility.
2)I can imagine this being very very important to everyone that gigs.
True that. But the Kronos has been a success and it seems to me owners accept/feel its worthwhile to reprogram their custom sounds. Korg and burning bush helped out with the Sound Pack ( popular keyboard sounds) and the same in the Kronos 2.
3) So far Yamaha has been doing a great job when it comes to this, but Korg doesnt seem to recognise this, espescilly when you take into account the incompatibillity issues with the current version.
zzzz... zzz. Same old Motif sound engine.
I think you can have both in the same instrument....
For Kronos they could
1) upgrade some of the excisting engines keep backward capabillity
2) add several new engines...
3) upgrade Karma to version 4 keeping backwar compatibillity
4) upgrade the sequencer
6) add new modes.. Like a matrix mode
7) add 8 pads to the hardware interface
add other breath taking modes
I mean with the Kronos being kind of modular, you can keep adding more stuff to it, while still keeping the old. The AL1 engine will still be able to create some good sounds in ten years, as it is just a great sounding engine.