2 things Really neded

[keyofZ]

Hi All
I have looked. but Can not find.
Korg Arrangers DESPERATELY need 2 things.
1. A % variance on Quantize. Like all major DAW's The ability to Humanize Quantization. If you let us Re-Quantize the drum and Bass styles. At say 95 to 97% Quantization. The result is a much more Natural Human way of playing.
At least Half of all the Styles I can find for the Arrangers are way Tooo exact timing Tight. People just do not play that way. This is also Called SWING.

2. A transpose function that is NOT Global. IE The Ability to just transpose the Keys and not the Song or midi file. Why?????
Different Guitar Tunings. This is recorded say 1/2 step down or Up. But load the Song and. A song is a Half step out from the Keyboard. So to play the keyboard along with the song correctly. You need to get the song in 440
The other reason. Well there is Almost always An Acoustic Version of a Song and a full production Version. They are almost Never in the same key. So Depending on which version you learned. You need to relearn it if you bought a midi file or MP3 file. With my DAW. I just adjust the Keyboard Semitone up or down. To match the song file. To fit my Voice. I only adjust the MP3 or Midi file in the First place .

[amit]

Let me try to answer first for you,
Humanize in arranger workflow just won't work, as the looping segments(variations) are still repetitive and hence you end up with same humanization for every iteration, thus defeating the purpose to an extent.
A dynamic (run-time) humanization could work for a sequencer recording, but that too can be counter-productive without a piano roll.

I'd rather export the final midi to a daw , humanize and either import back or carry on in the daw.


for second, There is a Local tranpose option, you do by shift or some other combo. Not sure about that though.

[Reuben]

If you hold down Shift and then hit the Transpose +or- , it will bring up options on whether you wand the keys or song transposed or both.
Cheers,
John

[keyofZ]

Thank you
I was hoping it was present. (Transpose function).
Just Could not find a reference to how to do it.

[keyofZ]

Thanks for the reply.
I like your explanation.
So do you have a workflow for : Arranger Midi to Daw And Fix Humanize in DAW. I mostly want to Humanize(Swing) the Drums and Bass. (How do you separate them in the DAW? Or does the midi have Track markers?

[tacman7]

How do you separate them in the DAW?

Solo the track and record it.

If you match the tempos you can drag the files around to sync them to different takes easy enough or go to global have the PA be a slave and have your DAW send midi clock to the PA.
I'm mainly working with audio instead of midi right now.


I do some composition using the DAW as master but there are voices that have problems with that. The tempo jumps around, like 89-90-89-90 every few seconds or so. No problem with 90% of what I've used but there's a voice with a steel guitar that the tempo changes causes artifacts.

Depends on what I'm doing.


If I needed that voice I would just match tempos and record it then time align it.

I use my robot drummer (mdrummer) so I mainly move ACC and Bass tracks over into the DAW and play guitar, sing, and add drums there.

[keyofZ]

Sorry but
That Sounds like a lot of work. Thus taking me away from the Creative process.
I bought a PA600 so I would have accompaniment when Composing and stay focused on the music. Not technical crap.(People are just too old and Busy to Come over all the time)
So I think
I use the MIDI Channels to make each track IN The DAW(make a Template for the PA600)
Then when I am done sketching out a song and Record it on the PA600.
I export the Midi file to the DAW. Separate the Bass and Drums channels to tracks. Apply an amount of Swing to each of those tracks.(via Piano Roll?)
The result should be a less Boxy sounding Song.

[tacman7]

That sounds like too much work right there for me.

Guess it depends on the DAW you're using and if you're used to it etc.

I'm using S1v2 coming over from cubase 7.5.

In S1 it's just a click to do most of the things I mentioned.

It's a lot more oriented towards audio. I've did a lot with midi over the years but a lot of the reasons for using midi don't apply now days- like transposing or changing the tempo can be done with audio.

Midi is good for many things but it has to be converted to audio eventually so those tracks that don't need special editing etc., I just do in audio.

[keyofZ]

The whole purpose of this thread. Is to Find Easy ways of Humanizing the Drums and Bass Tracks from the PA600.
Not really understanding what you are doing with audio tracks???
Midi file is what you can use Swing % on the Quantization to Do this.
Never seen it done (successfully ) with audio files.

[amit]

Assuming that you have recorded the song in sequencer. export it as a midi file..
Now connect to usb and bring the file to your daw, it should ask you if you want to load it as a multi track file, select yes and it should create a track for each channel.
refer to the manual , and it should tell you the exact channel mapping.

An alternate way is to record your song in the daw itself.
Basically, you route all your tracks to the daw through one of the midi presets , set the daw as a midi clock slave, create track for each channel you want to record, arm each track, record your performance. Once done, you can edit the respective tracks as needed.
I don't think humanize in general adds the swing feel (as it's usually to introduce more randomness, however these might be implementing a swing (laid back) preset these days.
Not sure as getting back to midi and keys after more than a decade of a break.

[tacman7]

That is what I was saying.

You can quantize an audio file with the right software.

[keyofZ]

Lining up a Audio file to synch with the song. Is not Quarantining it.
IE: in an arranger the Beat is EXACTly on time.(quantized perfect) This is what gives the boxy, samey sound. (It has no variance like a Real person would play it). So you want to Humanize it. If it is a Audio file. You can not do much to have the notes hit a little behind or ahead of the Exact Beat.
But A midi File Lets you adjust The % of Quantization. Somewhere around 95% to 98% will give you a Beat that is more Human(in most cases)
Sometimes you have to Re-quantize at 85% to get the notes off perfect time.
You just Can not do this to Audio files. If an audio file is played in wrong. Then it is forever Wrong. You have to Re-Record it.

[tacman7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcyZ_WE_35U


But you can move individual notes in time if you're dealing with something like drums.

You can deal with audio the same way you deal with midi as long as it's not too extreme.